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There are over 6 billion of us exhaling CO2 continually, whether we have a car helping add to that total or not. A large number of us don't have a car helping add to the CO2 total at all, and we who are lucky enough to have one, use it for a fraction of the day.
Really? Do we have to deal with those old tropes even here?

First of all the average person exhales a bit over 2 pounds of CO2 daily. The average car about 20 pounds of CO2 per gallon. So daily a person is exhales the CO2 produced by burning 1/10th of a gallon of gas (ignoring the large amounts of CO2 produced by extracting and refining the oil, and shipping the gas -- not a trivial amount).

There are over 6 billion of us exhaling CO2 continually, whether we have a car helping add to that total or not. A large number of us don't have a car helping add to the CO2 total at all, and we who are lucky enough to have one, use it for a fraction of the day.
Where did your CO2 come from? Solar energy allowed plants to convert CO2 in the atmosphere to carbohydrates. It is recycled rapidly and does not contribute to climate change. It was recently CO2 and what you exhale will soon be used by plants again.

Where did your ICE car's CO2 come from? The same photosynthesis hundreds of millions of years ago allowed plants to convert CO2 into carbohydrates. Only then it was followed by geological processes that converted those carbohydrates from plants and animals into oil and storage of that oil in the ground. The CO2 an ICE car belches out was CO2 in the atmosphere hundreds of millions of years ago when the world was a lot hotter than it is now. By burning that all of that oil (or coal, or petroleum gas) you are sending us right back into that hot, hot world of hundreds of millions of years ago.
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I doubt any on this board thinks that we don't need to reduce our carbon emissions and that BEVs are part of the solution. However some of us do disagree on how to get there. I believe research on batteries, fuel cells and energy storage is a better route. That will drive the cost down faster and people will still have a choice.

A lot of the numbers you and the studies assume are hyped up and fail to take into account the real world. Almost like us getting us psyched up that all FE would be delivered this year. That was based on bad assumptions and now the real world has come crashing back in.

You are mixing annual and lifetime projections together to get a better than realistic outlook. You are assuming a $225B cost of only one year. The subsidies will have to last longer than that if you want to replace the 274 millions of cars on the road today. Otherwise you still have to lower BEV costs down to be comparable with an ICE vehicle. And people love used cars because they are cheaper.

$500B in the military budget is not going away. It would be great if we lived in a such a world where we could do that but unfortunately the world is not that nice. If you believe this spend is all driven from protecting oil then you have to assume that we will spend the same to protect the minerals and elements needed for batteries and electric motors.

The number of all the US Clean Energy Sectors was 3.3M for 2019. Of these, 2.4M were in energy efficiency. Where are the additional 6M jobs to come from? It can't be building BEV as those are projected to reduce job count at auto manufactures, suppliers and service centers. The cost of those new 6M jobs creating another $50B in tax revenue is about $370B in salary and benefits. Who is going to employ them?

Don't forget all of the people that will be displaced from the oil and coal workers to the refiners to all of the delivery infrastructure and maintenance jobs. These people will need new jobs beyond the 6M to go into.

I can tell you that multifamily landlords do not want to put in chargers in their parking lots. Too much upfront capital costs and ongoing maintenance. They may put in one or two but they are not going to line every spot with one.
 
 




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