How will Ford get over ‘Range Anxiety’

[stmache]

I'm new to the EV segment who much does it cost to charge your EV when your using a public charger.

There is no standard rate. it ranges from Free to whatever the charger provider wants to charge on a per minute OR Kwh basis. For instance, the supermarket where I shop has a free charger. My local utility has a few free chargers in my area. The big mall near me charges 5 cents per minute with a $1.00 minimum. A public charger in a parking lot cost me 3 cents per minute. So, it depends.

All casinos near me offer free Level 2 charging.

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[MachSpeed]

There is no standard rate. it ranges from Free to whatever the charger provider wants to charge on a per minute OR Kwh basis. For instance, the supermarket where I shop has a free charger. My local utility has a few free chargers in my area. The big mall near me charges 5 cents per minute with a $1.00 minimum. A public charger in a parking lot cost me 3 cents per minute. So, it depends.

All casinos near me offer free Level 2 charging.

Thanks I'm sure I'll have more questions.

 

[Popeye]

Make Electrify America Free/Included Nationwide for 5-8 Years from first owners. Ford should go BOLD.

From what I have read, you will get 2 years unlimited charging through FordPass.

 

[Whatstreet]

I'm new to the EV segment who much does it cost to charge your EV when your using a public charger.

That's a hard question to answer because it really varies a lot. Some charge by the hour so if your car can pull 48A your a head, but if its a plugin hybrid and pulls 16A you lose. Some sell by the kWh and the rate varies a lot by location. It could be as high as $0.50 per kWh to actually no cost.

A cost of say $0.25 per kWh is ok giving you 4 kWh for a dollar and you could likely drive 3 miles per kWh. Three dollars at that rate would get you 36 miles which is better than the price of gas in a lot of places.

The Mach-e charges at about 10 kWh per hour on level 2 if the EVSE is up to it, so it would take approximately an hour and fifteen minutes.

DCFC is expensive, its as expensive per mile as gasoline. The best way to charge is level 2 at your home or work but if your driving long distances DCFC will get you there, but at a higher cost per mile.

My utility company gives me a reduced rate on electricity after midnight because I have an EV, currently around $0.15 per kWh. This is much less than buying gasoline. There is a lot of waste by the utility companies at night because they can't just ramp down a fuel fired power plant. They actually shunt power to ground to maintain balance on the grid, so we are using power that would be wasted if we charge at night.

This is one of the reasons EV is so important, another is they are so much more efficient in traffic jams where many cars are operated daily. The ICE is not so bad in cold weather and at highway speed but they are terrible in slow, stop and go traffic.

 

[jaredhimself]

Typically, I doubt on most days people drive over 50 miles. Of course, that changes daily and more so on days off like weekends. Most of the time, you are only "topping off" the battery and not from a near zero charge. Charge times will vary. You will also be able to schedule when the car charges to take advantage of those off peak electric rates. Many utilities even have special rates for EV owners. Check with yours to see if they do.

I drive around 215 miles a day, twice a week minimum. I'll be installing the optional Ford Connected Charge Station installed in a 240V outlet for sure, which Ford says will give me an "est. 32 miles of range per charging hour." I don't need permits or inspections where I live so I can cut those costs out, thankfully.

 

[stmache]

I drive around 215 miles a day, twice a week minimum. I'll be installing the optional Ford Connected Charge Station installed in a 240V outlet for sure, which Ford says will give me an "est. 32 miles of range per charging hour. I don't need permits or inspections where I live so I can cut those costs out, thankfully.

There are times I will need to do trips like that. I have one which is a round trip of over 300 miles. The charging infrastructure at the destination is very sparse today. I am hoping, in the next two years, it will change as New York State put a lot of budget money behind building out charging stations around the interstates over the next three years.

 

[jaredhimself]

There are times I will need to do trips like that. I have one which is a round trip of over 300 miles. The charging infrastructure at the destination is very sparse today. I am hoping, in the next two years, it will change as New York State put a lot of budget money behind building out charging stations around the interstates over the next three years.

Same here.. I live in East Texas (Tyler area) and drive to NW Dallas area (Flower Mound)... There are a few stations but not many that are real convenient, yet. Hoping I can last with just charging at home with the Ford Connected Charge Station.

 

[JB.]

The average is 78 percent of americans drive less than 38 miles a day.

Ill have a 220 or 240 line into the garage plus all ford dealers will offer charging.....

They are all over the place so it doesnt seem like a big deal for many of us.

My wife drives about 600 mikes a month....im buying the mustang for its great looks, its exciting performance and excellent mustang brand image (wife is excited) and she will never have to stop at a gas station....

The fact it saves the environment is just an added bonus...the dollar savings will be minimal...i think she is buying 24 gallons of gas a month...(@$3 a gallon...thats maybe $75 a month)

Girls or wives buy on brand name and looks...the GT model is about performance and thats for me...

My personal daily is presently a corvette z51 manual and I have an order in for a new c8 z51 for myself.

The new mustang mach E makes for a nice family SPORTS CUV thats blindingly quick and a nice replace,ent for my wifes present alfa stelvio ti sport.....which she loves.

5.5 or 3.5 depends on which can be delivered before her alfa lease runs out next june 2021.

 

[jaredhimself]

The average is 78 percent of americans drive less than 38 miles a day.

Ill have a 220 or 240 line into the garage plus all ford dealers will offer charging.....

They are all over the place so it doesnt seem like a big deal for many of us.

My wife drives about 600 mikes a month....im buying the mustang for its great looks, its exciting performance and excellent mustang brand image (wife is excited) and she will never have to stop at a gas station....

The fact it saves the environment is just an added bonus...the dollar savings will be minimal...i think she is buying 24 gallons of gas a month...(@$3 a gallon...thats maybe $75 a month)

Girls or wives buy on brand name and looks...the GT model is about performance and thats for me...

My personal daily is presently a corvette z51 manual and I have an order in for a new c8 z51 for myself.

The new mustang mach E makes for a nice family SPORTS CUV thats blindingly quick and a nice replace,ent for my wifes present alfa stelvio ti sport.....which she loves.

5.5 or 3.5 depends on which can be delivered before her alfa lease runs out next june 2021.

I hear ya. I wish I didn't have to drive so much. When I just had my F-150, I was spending $1,200 a month on gas ALONE. Then I got the Fusion and left the truck at home. Big difference. Looking forward to never having to stop at a gas station again when the Mach-E is delivered. And when the all electric F-150 comes out, I'll be set for commute, work and play.

I have not heard about every dealership offering charging, yet. I know the dealerships around me that are EV certified (allowed to sell BEV's) already have charging stations, or at least one. Currently that is only 1 out of 6 dealerships in my 50 mile radius.

I'm sure that hosting a charging station is one of the requirements for Ford EV Certification and being allowed to sell them. I'm sure all dealerships will eventually be certified... and as a result they will all offer charging stations.

 

[Trekkie]

depending on which state you live in, some of the EV unfriendly states will not let the chargers charge by the KW that is going into the car. They require you to be a utility to do that. So usually it's a per minute. Check out Electrify America for rates, and EVGo.com as well. EA would probably be my preferred place if I ever need to charge it not at work or home (i have free charging at work) . They charge by the minute.

Maybe now that someone like Ford is in the game they may let them charge by usage, because the problem with by time is when your battery is super low it charges fast, but as you get fuller it slows down. So your first few KW are reasonable, but by the end you could be paying $1.50 a KW when its 0.13 at home or something.

When I first got my Bolt in 2018 I used EvGo and their DC Level2 charging system. I had to charge int two 45m increments (Bolt is limited to 50Kw of input) and without an account the charger would charge for 45m max. The first 45 m charge was for 26.260 kWh of electricity, and they charged me $16.89 for that and then a 38m charge was $14.26 for 19.070 kWh. So I paid $1.45 a kw/h if I am good at math today. Keep in mind my home rate is a flat $0.13/KWh.

Things are getting better, this was September 2018. I *think* NC just passed a law saying they could charge for consumption not by time but it's not in affect yet. But they also tried to triple the road tax to re-coupe the fact they weren't getting gas tax. problem was if you had a 30MPG car an EV was paying for driving 38000 miles a year. Thankfully that died. NC has some of the highest gas taxes in the US.

 

[Whatstreet]

I have not heard about every dealership offering charging, yet. I know the dealerships around me that are EV certified (allowed to sell BEV's) already have charging stations, or at least one. Currently that is only 1 out of 6 dealerships in my 50 mile radius.

I'm sure that hosting a charging station is one of the requirements for Ford EV Certification and being allowed to sell them. I'm sure all dealerships will eventually be certified... and as a result they will all offer charging stations.

My local Chevrolet dealership has an EVSE but there is always something parked in the way so no one can get to it. That's dealership for you, they complied but you can't use it.

 

[MachSpeed]

My dealer has a charging station also Mountaineer Automotive in Beckley WV

 

[jandkw]

I own the Tesla Model S for 6 years. I want to replace her with a compact SUV so I reserved the Mach E premium (Model Y at first but it's another discussion). I like the vintage Mustang design both exterior and interior per pictures and video. I like to share a little bit on "Range Anxiety" and charging experience in this thread to help some EV owners-to-be.

1. I have the 2013 Model S and is 60KW with range of 205 miles. My recommendation is to get the extended range 300/270 miles if you travel frequently. I had a few scare when travel due to my limited range of 200 miles. Do a little range planning when taking a trip. Tesla has a nice supercharging stations all map-out on the screen and take me there. Hope Ford have something similar.
2. Depending on the speed you drive. Tesla uses 55 miles/hr to project the range. So if you drive 70 or 80 miles on the highway, it's a different story. If I am taking a trip, I always use 80/20 rule so if I have 200 miles left, I assume this is 160 miles range left.
3. I have the 220 volt (14-50, 50amp) installed in my garage which is good for 20 miles/hr. I also have the on/off peak meter installed so with the timer set to start charging at 8pm (off peak). It is recommended to charge frequently (5-6 times/wk in my case) and not go to 100% to protect battery degradation (75% for me). Tesla has a very good battery management system and after 6 years of ownership, I only lost 5-6 miles from my 205 miles range. This is not your laptop battery and management system.
4. I charge 90% of the time at home and rarely use the level 2 or Tesla Superchargers.
5. Mustang E should have the charging cable included so if you need the 14-50 (I had this installed with copper wire by my electrician costs me $600 at the time) and should be able to get 20-22 miles/hr charging. The 32 miles/hr charging is an option according to Ford which you will need to purchase the charger from Amazon ($400-$700 depending on the manufacturer).
5. Ford says they have several thousand chargers more than Tesla. This is an overstatement. The "FordPass" chargers are Level 2 chargers, not 150KW DC charging stations like Tesla which is now fully available across the nations. Unfortunately you cannot use the Tesla superchargers which is reserved for Tesla owners. I'm glad to hear that Ford is working with "Electrify America" using the CCS standard and it will take some time (I estimate it will take EA 2 more years to install the DC fast chargers off highway exits across US. To see the DC fast charging stations across the US, see their plan.. https://www.electrifyamerica.com/our-plan

I love my Model S dearly. 6 years ago I took a chance to switch to Tesla EV after a brief test drive and was in awe of the EV technology. This feeling is still true today particularly after test drove the performance model (under 3 seconds). I hope Ford can provide the same driving feeling I have with Mustang E. EV is the future. It's not just the drive but the savings on gas, zero emission, clean architecture and all. It is almost impossible for me to purchase another ICE car again. For those who will own your first Ford EV, the Mustang E, I trust you will love it.

 

[stmache]

Thank you, @jandkw ! Great tips and advice.

 

[FordTechOne]

While shopping a local grocery store, one of the shoppers said, "Do you hear about the Ford EV?" the other shopper replied with "Yeah, but where are you going to charge it?"

I think Ford should have told the news reports that they will create Ford Chargers, it seems to get missed by the media.

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