How will Ford get over ‘Range Anxiety’

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It's the same for the Energi, instead of a quick 5-10 min job, it took me an hour to replace the tiny 12v in the CMax. Honestly, I think this is how Ford and others will keep their dealership service dept happy!
I saw one of the Mach E announcement video on youTube by someone who goes through the interior and when he opens the truck storage cover, I thought I can see the 12v battery located at the left side. I cannot confirm this because It went through so quickly.
 

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Bye the way, I don't think the 30 minutes for the full charge Electrify America (EA) gave you is correct. I have read elsewhere that it will take about 45 minutes to get to 80% with Electrify America. The last 20% usually takes about as long as the first 80% which is why you won't usually charge to 100% unless you need that much to get to the next charger on a long trip.
EA chargers can post their rated charge speed but don't be surprised if it's less.

Just last month I took a trip to PA with my 2017 Bolt EV and charged at a non-EA charger in Gettysburg, the charge rate was 63kW. I charged a few days later at an EA charger near Winchester VA and the charge rate was 23kW. Those rates are from when the battery was at a lower SOC nowhere near 80%. There's a comment by EA for that location in the PlugShare app that they apologize for the reduced charging rate and are working to improve things. Then I looked at some other EA locations in PlugShare and see that comment in some other places too.

When looking at a charge location in PlugShare there's a place where the past check-ins can note the kW rate of their charge, and it's interesting how things fluctuate between locations and cars. So for those that don't yet have the PlugShare app installed, install it when you have a chance and take a look around, as I find the info and comments from past check-ins to be very useful.
 

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"Range Anxiety" is not a thing. Do you have Range Anxiety driving your ICE vehicle when the gauge reads less than 1/4 or when the "Low fuel" light is lit?

Its the same with EVs--having driven two now (a short range Focus Electric and a longer ranged Bolt) it really isn't a thing. You watch the gauges and know when to charge--neither vehicle has left me stranded due to an empty battery.

The Focus Electric had the navigation map integrated into the range in a really clever way so you could program in a destination (be it a charger or not) and it would let you know if you could get there and how much range you'd have after you got there. Hopefully Ford does something similar with the Mach-E.
 

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"Range Anxiety" is not a thing. Do you have Range Anxiety driving your ICE vehicle when the gauge reads less than 1/4 or when the "Low fuel" light is lit?

Its the same with EVs--having driven two now (a short range Focus Electric and a longer ranged Bolt) it really isn't a thing. You watch the gauges and know when to charge--neither vehicle has left me stranded due to an empty battery.

The Focus Electric had the navigation map integrated into the range in a really clever way so you could program in a destination (be it a charger or not) and it would let you know if you could get there and how much range you'd have after you got there. Hopefully Ford does something similar with the Mach-E.
I'd say we've more or less graduated from "range anxiety" to "charger anxiety". Questions that will now crop up beyond 100-150 miles from home base...
  • Is there a DCFC en route?
    • How many chargers are at the station?
    • Do the chargers work?
    • How fast are the chargers?
  • How much time will I have to budget?
  • Is there a destination charger?
  • What's the weather forecast?
    • Is it cold?
    • Is it hot?
    • Is it raining?
    • Is it snowing?
I'm sure there are other things to consider but that's what's off the top of my head.
 


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I'd say we've more or less graduated from "range anxiety" to "charger anxiety". Questions that will now crop up beyond 100-150 miles from home base...
  • Is there a DCFC en route?
    • How many chargers are at the station?
    • Do the chargers work?
    • How fast are the chargers?
  • How much time will I have to budget?
  • Is there a destination charger?
  • What's the weather forecast?
    • Is it cold?
    • Is it hot?
    • Is it raining?
    • Is it snowing?
I'm sure there are other things to consider but that's what's off the top of my head.
You are forgetting one: "Are all the spots taken or ICE'd?"

I've found the plugshare app and website to be very useful in that regard: https://www.plugshare.com/
Plugshare even has a handy trip planner that allows you to include charging locations along your route (I think you have to sign in/up for that feature).
 

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I'd say we've more or less graduated from "range anxiety" to "charger anxiety". Questions that will now crop up beyond 100-150 miles from home base...
  • Is there a DCFC en route?
    • How many chargers are at the station?
    • Do the chargers work?
    • How fast are the chargers?
  • How much time will I have to budget?
  • Is there a destination charger?
  • What's the weather forecast?
    • Is it cold?
    • Is it hot?
    • Is it raining?
    • Is it snowing?
I'm sure there are other things to consider but that's what's off the top of my head.
This is actually a good definition of range anxiety, as most drivers don't want to deal with all of the above (except for the weather conditions as they affect everyone of course), they want to stop 5 minutes for gasoline at pumps that work.

I don't mind planning out a long trip as I've done so for years, but my wife would never deal with that type of stuff as she would prefer to just refuel in 5 minutes and go, and that's how most people also feel.
 

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You are forgetting one: "Are all the spots taken or ICE'd?"

I've found the plugshare app and website to be very useful in that regard: https://www.plugshare.com/
Plugshare even has a handy trip planner that allows you to include charging locations along your route (I think you have to sign in/up for that feature).
Yeah, good point on availability! Another one that comes to mind:
  • Do I plan a route that's dependent on a single-charger station or only plan on multi-charger stations?
Any road trip that has a single point of failure is a total no-go for me and my family.
 

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Yeah, good point on availability! Another one that comes to mind:
  • Do I plan a route that's dependent on a single-charger station or only plan on multi-charger stations?
Any road trip that has a single point of failure is a total no-go for me and my family.
Yeah always have one or two backups in case the "primary" recharge location isn't available; also have to always be flexible (which is good advice for any road trip--not just one in an EV).
 

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"Range Anxiety" is not a thing. Do you have Range Anxiety driving your ICE vehicle when the gauge reads less than 1/4 or when the "Low fuel" light is lit?

Its the same with EVs--having driven two now (a short range Focus Electric and a longer ranged Bolt) it really isn't a thing. You watch the gauges and know when to charge--neither vehicle has left me stranded due to an empty battery.

The Focus Electric had the navigation map integrated into the range in a really clever way so you could program in a destination (be it a charger or not) and it would let you know if you could get there and how much range you'd have after you got there. Hopefully Ford does something similar with the Mach-E.
Ford is using this: https://www.ford.com/buy-site-wide-content/overlays/try-the-tech/ which is similar to the Plug Share option but.does not show as many charger locations as Plug Share.
 

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Yeah always have one or two backups in case the "primary" recharge location isn't available; also have to always be flexible (which is good advice for any road trip--not just one in an EV).
There is no DC fast chargers in the whole UP of Michigan. Wisconsin does not have any fast DC chargers north of the Green Bay-Wasau line. A dead zone. Few, destination chargers exist.
 

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Ford is using this: https://www.ford.com/buy-site-wide-content/overlays/try-the-tech/ which is similar to the Plug Share option but.does not show as many charger locations as Plug Share.
The Ford map was showing a charger station at my local power company's nearby sort of field office. It was showing up as a free location, so that piqued my interest. I drove by and saw that it's for employee use only.

There's no way to report this issue on the Ford map (so far). But I checked over on PlugShare and it showed up free there, too. So I edited it on PlugShare to note that it's a restricted location... Then lo and behold, it no longer appeared on Ford's map.

So at this point, the Ford map is republishing non-restricted locations from PlugShare.
 

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Thank you. @stmache and @Airflow! That is great info!

So the answer is yes it solves the range anxiety in terms of daily usage. At least for me that resolves my anxiety. The article I posted got me worried, since it took 12 hours for only 28 miles. This means for a minor cost, you can potentially add 128 miles in 12 hours at home.
To o all of the interesting parties who have contributed to this conversation.....if you have made your reservation for the Mach E...you need to do some research into your charging options at your home. Read into the Level 1 & Level 2 chargers and amperage levels they use. Plenty to choose from Amazon. Yes you will want a dedicated line from your distribution box with at least a 50 amp Circuit Breaker and at least a 50 amp connector outlet Nema 14-50. If you are a good electrician and know what you doing, you can manage the installation of the wiring and outlet to the location you going to assign your new EV charger. If ELECTRICITY is not your subject and don't know enough, leave it to the professionals. That is where the installation might get pricy. 60 amp cable is costly and you need to have the correct gauge to handle the amperage. If all this is a bit confusing have an electrician give you a quote band explain the codes he has to follow. Licenced electrician is preferred. Start now with your research. We don't know what Ford is going to offer as a charger. They don't know what your home can handle either. Since Amazon offers so many chargers they can subcontract an electrician to do these installations like cable companies do with home installations. Is Ford going to offer a Level 2 charger at 25 amp or 32 amp or 36 amp or 40 amp charging capacity. Still few questions to be answered from Ford. I do know that Tesla offers a Level 2 charger at 48 amp rate for your home. The installation has to be in place and you just plug in the charger. So for now find all you can about the charging options you have until Ford reveals they own proprietary charger which it will be a Level 2 type and decide what your options are. They ask for $2000 for the charger then you pick up your own from Amazon for $600. You Tube tutorials are plenty and informative. Don't be scared. What I want to know is about this Ford Charging Network of 14000 chargers in North America. Where and at what level of charging they provide. There much more to come from Ford in the coming months. It is like taking a course at your local Technical College. EV charging 101. It's all going to be ok. Good luck.
 

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My Level 2 Plug cost me only about $100 (the total cost was about $2600 but there was a $2500 tax refund for installing an EVSE at the time)--check with your electricity supplier they may offer some deals (including an EV charge rate on a 2nd meter). I'm on an "experimental EV rate" that charges me a lot less overnight. Thus for driving an EV about 1000 miles a month my electricity bill for it hovers around $50/month (yeah I used to drive an F-350 which was costing $350/month in gas--talk about savings).

As far as traveling, plugshare and Ford's reported chargers: Ford announced a while ago that they sourced some of their data from plugshare.

Even with the dead zone in the UP there still are campgrounds. Campgrounds you say?? Yes you can usually find a 50A 240V plug at a campground. I travel with a Clipper Creek EVSE configured for campgrounds (yeah ok granted I have a camper as well--see profile pic). If you're willing to sit for an hour or two you can pick up some miles (just not as much as a DC fast charge)--this is how cross country trips were made "back in the day" with the first EVs using campgrounds.
 

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