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I'll check in with my source at the Cuautitlan plant this weekend. He had indicated some essential tools were stuck in Michigan and might not be at CSAP (Ford Motor Company Cuautitlan Stamping and Assembly Plant) until August. Who knows what else may be leading to the delays in scheduled delivery dates our European friends are reporting.
When you check in with your contact in Mexico perhaps you could ask him if he knows the answer to this poser. We have seen pictures on this forum of numerous preproduction cars on the road testing. Presumably these are road legal. Ford have said that they are really impressed with the quality. I would be intrigued to know what tooling has to come from Michigan that is needed to make 'production' vehicles that are different from 'preproduction'
 

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I would be intrigued to know what tooling has to come from Michigan that is needed to make 'production' vehicles that are different from 'preproduction'
Might be to make them "at high volume". To make a few dozen for pre-production, they can do some things more manually. But when cranking out 50,000, it's all about maximizing efficiency through automation, specialized tooling, etc.
 
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Might be to make them "at high volume". To make a few dozen for pre-production, they can do some things more manually. But when cranking out 50,000, it's all about maximizing efficiency through automation, specialized tooling, etc.
Exactly. A few dozen vs 5000/month are entirely different operations.
 

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I wouldn't expect US Mach-E's until March 2021 due to EU requirements for Ford. I can wait, the Tesla will be out of warranty by then but enough fanbois to still get good resale with no warranty.

Ford offers the PHEV Escape which would be compromise if I had to do something this year but it's only FWD. I work in hospital also with the call in any weather issue but with good snows, the FWD works well. Toyota RAV4 PHEV with 50 miles EV and AWD really beats the Escape. Wish Ford had kept up.
RAV4 Prime offers "up to 39 miles" of EV driving as stated by Toyota. The AWD system is FWD based in that the third motor/generator does not engage the rear wheels for AWD unless slippage is detected. The system is engaged for a short duration unlike the system found in the past generation Ford Escape 4WD Hybrid. This system is no different than what is featured on the 4th generation RAV hybrid vehicles. The 2021 RAV4 Prime (PHEV) is not currently available and rumors exist that it is delayed.
 

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I wouldn't expect US Mach-E's until March 2021 due to EU requirements for Ford.
It wouldn't surprise me if US deliveries end up getting pushed past Dec 31 too, but not for that reason. Even if it was ever part of the timing, it's not anymore.
 

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It wouldn't surprise me if US deliveries end up getting pushed past Dec 31 too, but not for that reason. Even if it was ever part of the timing, it's not anymore
I really fail to see any reason for the panic and pessimism concerning the Mach-E delivery schedule.

We are still over 5 Months from when Ford will need to have this assembly line up and running at even a modest rate to output the 5,000 or so First Editions and maybe a 2,000 Premiums they had planned for 2020.

This is a company that is capable of setting up an assembly line that can spit out a F-150 (with a much more complex drive chain) in less than 60 second, over 1,500 per day or over 40,000 a month.
 

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The system is engaged for a short duration unlike the system found in the past generation Ford Escape 4WD Hybrid.
But new Ford Escape PHEV is FWD only and 30 miles EV while RAV4 is AWD and 39 miles EV. Both big differences in the basics. Try to buy US but 25% less EV and just FWD is asking a lot. Not sure what Ford was thinking there.

Ford went with slow L2 charging so we'll see if Toyota goes full CCS capability. If I could fast charge for my 100 mile commute, could do 70 miles EV in the RAV4 with AWD. Otherwise just 30 miles and 39 miles but we are building a new clinic and I'm lobbying hard for some employee chargers and I'd have 10-12 hours for L2.
 
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Chatted with my contact in Cuautitlan today. Preparations for production are going well but slowly due to the 200 person limit on the line.

Because some essential tools are still in Michigan, the pre-production units are still being built with a mix of body parts, some made in Mexico, some in Michigan. They need to finish the pre-production run, so it's better to keep cranking those out even if it means shipping parts. So there's the answer to the question @portlandg posed. @dbsb3233: you were close.

Some of the tools were just shipped out. The last of them will probably be shipped to Cuautitlan in July.

The good news is when I joked about getting my FE as a Christmas present, my source thought it would arrive "well before Christmas".

This is right in line with the official word from the Ford spokesperson and Dave Pericak. I'm not holding my breath but it still looks good for US deliveries in 2020 :)
Sorry, the shipping to Europe takes so long 😔
 

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But new Ford Escape PHEV is FWD only and 30 miles EV while RAV4 is AWD and 39 miles EV. Both big differences in the basics. Try to buy US but 25% less EV and just FWD is asking a lot. Not sure what Ford was thinking there.

Ford went with slow L2 charging so we'll see if Toyota goes full CCS capability. If I could fast charge for my 100 mile commute, could do 70 miles EV in the RAV4 with AWD. Otherwise just 30 miles and 39 miles but we are building a new clinic and I'm lobbying hard for some employee chargers and I'd have 10-12 hours for L2.
The RAV4 Prime is FWD base, will only go into 4WD when slip is detected and this is infrequent. When it goes into 4WD, it will be short durations as in less than 8 seconds. The Toyota is not AWD. The RAV4 Prime will not have fast charge CCS capabilities.
 

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The RAV4 Prime is FWD base, will only go into 4WD when slip is detected and this is infrequent.
That's all most AWD do anyway except for Subaru. But Ford PHEV is listed as not having any AWD capability and 20% lower EV range. Maybe price will reflect the differences.

Where did you see charging specs on RAV4 Prime. Car&Driver comparison I read said not announced yet. Be surprised if it did have CCS but who knows, maybe they'll make smart choices.
 
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But new Ford Escape PHEV is FWD only and 30 miles EV while RAV4 is AWD and 39 miles EV. Both big differences in the basics. Try to buy US but 25% less EV and just FWD is asking a lot. Not sure what Ford was thinking there.

Ford went with slow L2 charging so we'll see if Toyota goes full CCS capability. If I could fast charge for my 100 mile commute, could do 70 miles EV in the RAV4 with AWD. Otherwise just 30 miles and 39 miles but we are building a new clinic and I'm lobbying hard for some employee chargers and I'd have 10-12 hours for L2.
Doesn't seem to make much sense to put L3 charging in a PHEV that's only got a small battery + a ICE engine. The whole point of a PHEV is that you have all the combined range you need. When the battery runs out, it simply switches over to gas for another 300 miles or something (some actually run both together whenever more power is needed).

If one doesn't want to use gasoline, then getting a PHEV doesn't make much sense.
 

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Doesn't seem to make much sense to put L3 charging in a PHEV that's only got a small battery
Way to extend EV range on the road. My emissions getting a quick charge before driving hom 50 miles will be 78% less with RAV4's 39 miles of EV. 80% reduction in emissions by 2050 is the goal.
 

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Way to extend EV range on the road. My emissions getting a quick charge before driving hom 50 miles will be 78% less with RAV4's 39 miles of EV. 80% reduction in emissions by 2050 is the goal.
If your goal is to not burn gas, then don't buy a PHEV.
 
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