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I hear you... People who are shedding so much money for something not activated/legal yet are dumb!
The Model 3 has been around for what 3 yrs now... imagine you paid that (ok it wasn't 10k) 3 yrs ago...financing it,but have yet to be able to use it!!!!
that cost is basically 20-25% of the MME. I would buy the MME instead.
 

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HAs anyone seen Canadian pricing? I had the foresight to get the COmfort/Tech package on my Select AWD (as opposed to the appearance package which does not include the prep equipement).

If it really is 750$ or CAD, I'm actually glad about my choice.
 

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Where to start. Let's see, how about I start with you have zero understanding of the systems involved?

My original post did not imply what you say. Either you need to work on your reading comprehension or study up on the systems you seem to think you know. (You don't.) My point was this: When you override an aircraft autopilot, the autopilot disengages. This is done so that there is no confusion as to who or what is controlling the aircraft. Confusion of this type can and has led to numerous deaths. It is my professional opinion that "collaborative driving" could lead to the same confusion at some point. It is all too possible that a driver might believe the automation is engaged--when it is not--resulting in a crash.

CWS (Control Wheel Steering) is not an autopilot. It is a flight control system that is similar to the Airbus Fly By Wire system. I'd try and explain it to you, but there isn't room here, and frankly I don't think you'd understand anyway. Suffice it to say it is not an autopilot, does not act like an autopilot and will not make control inputs that haven't been commanded by the pilot. The commands work differently than control position commands, but you won't understand that anyway. CWS is not "collaborative," it does precisely what the pilot commands.

MCAS is also not an autopilot system, but your example still proves my point. The pilots were unaware of the system and not trained in it's use. This confusion of who/what was making control inputs lead to two tragic deaths. This reinforces my original point. That said, I don't have time to explain to you why MCAS is needed, why it acts like it does, what was wrong with it's implementation, or what--in my opinion--is wrong with the current fix. And again, you wouldn't understand any of it anyway.

If we're seeking to find an equivalent in the automotive world for MCAS, the closest thing I can think of would be a lane keeping system that "nudges" the steering wheel if you start drifting out of the lane. Please note that the system doesn't take over flying the aircraft or driving the automobile. It simply nudges. There is no confusion as to who is in control. (At least there shouldn't be if the pilot/driver is aware of the system and trained in it's use.)

BTW, your use of abbreviations does not make you sound like you know what you're talking about, all it does it make you seem like a Jack^%$ who is trying to impress others with your "knowledge." Why not use "pilot" instead of an abbreviation for "Pilot Flying?" That way everyone reading would better understand the conversation. (Not to mention you don't even seem to understand what "PF" means.) The mere fact that you think watching a few Youtube videos gives you the same understanding of aviation systems as a professional pilot with decades of military and airline experience says a lot about you. You don't know enough to even know what you don't know, and you for some reason you seem to have a hard time grasping that.
Wow, that is harsh. This is the type of tone that drives readers away and/or leads to liberal use of the “Ignore” feature. See ya.
 

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Wow, that is harsh. This is the type of tone that drives readers away and/or leads to liberal use of the “Ignore” feature. See ya.
i agree. This is sad. I come here to discuss and learn. This kind of post frankly pisses me off. I stop reading after about the second or third sentence. What honestly is the point???
 

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i agree. This is sad. I come here to discuss and learn. This kind of post frankly pisses me off. I stop reading after about the second or third sentence. What honestly is the point???
What happened to you have to sign a paper on delivery of the car stating the self drive option isn't available and getting $100 back? The price for this fall was supposed to be $600. If it's $10,000 they can have it. I certainly don't have to have it and it makes me uncomfortable thinking of a car driving itself. Then again I'm almost 72 and set in my ways.
 

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What happened to you have to sign a paper on delivery of the car stating the self drive option isn't available and getting $100 back? The price for this fall was supposed to be $600. If it's $10,000 they can have it. I certainly don't have to have it and it makes me uncomfortable thinking of a car driving itself. Then again I'm almost 72 and set in my ways.
$10k is for the Tesla FSD. MME is $500
 

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Wow, that is harsh. This is the type of tone that drives readers away and/or leads to liberal use of the “Ignore” feature. See ya.
I addressed at the time and he apologized.
 

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This OTA update is handsfree driving - the normal safety features are covered under Copilot 360 including lane centering I think. But these features require drivers to still be holding the steering wheel. The lane centering currently available in cars is just a slight nudge at best if it senses deviation from lane demarcations.

I am thinking the handsfree features will be more advanced but the low cost makes me think that perhaps they are just small incremental features and not perhaps autonomous driving capability
It won't autonomous driving (Level 4/5). That doesn't exist except in very limited geographies.
 

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Any monitor system can be defeated. It won't be all that hard to defeat Ford's system either. Just like accelerator pedals can be abused. Care to count up the fatalities for each? There will always be dangerous drivers. We can increase the penalty--and we should--for tampering with safety systems, but that won't change the fact that people are going to die on our roads. If you really and truly want to change that, why aren't you pushing for cell phones to become inoperable above 5 mph? How many tens of thousands of people have died because of using cell phones while driving?
Interesting. Any guesses on how one will be able to defeat an eye monitoring system? I don't want to, but they seem reasonably robust to me...?
 

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Interesting. Any guesses on how one will be able to defeat an eye monitoring system? I don't want to, but they seem reasonably robust to me...?
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