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To be clear, lane-center is NOT a self-driving feature and should not be thought of as such. Drivers are expected to be in full control of the car at all times. Lane center simply notices if you start to drift and tries to keep you centered in the lane. It does not know what it may encounter on the road.

The self-driving feature expected later this year isn't the same... that system DOES know what to expect to encounter on the road. It knows when it is approaching a curve, etc. The computer is ok as long as the road looks like what the computer expects the road to look like.
This is where, respectfully, this discussion keeps bogging down. The fact is that "drivers are expected to be in full control of the car at all times" even with the added "self driving" capability. Not opinion - fact. So the question is: what does the $600 package actually give you besides trading one form of driver supervision for another possibly stricter form of driver supervision? That is THE question.

In answer to that question, you and others opine that the $600 will also get you a superior, more reliable version of lane keep assist through access to these pre-mapped highways. And maybe that's true. Maybe. But I don't think we actually know that yet. I hope it is true - that might be worth it to me.
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We do know, it lets you drive pre-mapped highways w/o your hands on the wheel. It sounds like that isn't worth it to you. It is to me and I will be spending the $600 for that capability.
I will sell you that technology for $100. :)

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I will sell you that technology for $100. :)

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Was your whole point to get on the forum to say this whole thing is stupid? Got it. Your entitled to your opinion, others disagree. How much longer are you going to belabor the point?
 

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Was your whole point to get on the forum to say this whole thing is stupid? Got it. Your entitled to your opinion, others disagree. How much longer are you going to belabor the point?
Well, until I feel validated, obviously. :)
 
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Elon does not think Lidar is bad technology and Tesla certainly uses it. Musk doesn’t want Lidar on customer cars because it is expensive and bulky and not having it is a cost-cutting measure. Just like ford (and most other automakers), they think that pre-mapping and then using Cameras on owner vehicles is the most economical way of getting “good enough” data. Tesla most certainly uses lidar for pre-mapping highways, just like Ford and others.
That's not what Tesla says about their systems. There are numerous other articles mentioning the same things.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/electr...ch-self-driving-harder-only-way-to-scale/amp/

"Waymo and many others in the industry use high-definition maps. You have to first drive some car that pre-maps the environment, you have to have lidar with centimeter-level accuracy, and you are on rails. You know exactly how you are going to turn in an intersection, you know exactly which traffic lights are relevant to you, you where they are positioned and everything. We do not make these assumptions. For us, every single intersection we come up to, we see it for the first time. Everything has to be sold — just like what a human would do in the same situation"


Kind of unusual for people to debate about a feature they apparently wouldn't use our pay for. If I didn't have any interest in something, I wouldn't bother talking about it.
 


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Sure, it is called Google Maps and can be accessed completely free with CarPlay/Android Auto. There are many other free navigation software you can use too which have historically been more accurate than factory nav systems.
It's been discussed on this forum ad nauseam. Google Maps is not Free. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
 

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I think the only way to get to truly autonomous driving is when cars don’t just “see” but also communicate with other cars and the roads themselves. And I think that is a few decades away. Until that time, you’re gonna have a lot of Tesla drivers playing Russian roulette with half-baked autonomous driving around town. The roads themselves are the easier part - it’s all the human drivers that really introduces unpredictability. People should remember the first rule of driver’s ed: the key to being a safe driver is being a good defensive driver.
 

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It's been discussed on this forum ad nauseam. Google Maps is not Free. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
By free I mean “costs no money”. Whether you like google or their business model is up to you, but you can’t deny that money is not leaving your bank account if you use them. I personally could care less if Google is selling my location data or using my travel habits to better target advertising. That doesn’t harm me at all and more relevent advertising is better than less relevent, in my opinion. If you don’t like them; feel free to pay cash elsewhere. The point is you have options.

All I am saying is that I don’t think it is worth an additional $600 (for 3 years) and I don’t like the ever increasing subscription services being tied to automotive functions to nickel and dime customers after the sale.

Feel free to differ in opinion and say it is perfectly reasonable; I was just explaining the various reasons why I doubt I’ll buy the hands-free software package. I’m sure others will love it; particular those who plan to put on lots of highway miles on their Mach-E.
 
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For those who have taken delivery and received the $100 off for the Active Drive Assist Prep Package, what paper acknowledgement did you receive? I think my dealer "forgot" the $100 and any related docs that go with this.
 

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For those who have taken delivery and received the $100 off for the Active Drive Assist Prep Package, what paper acknowledgement did you receive? I think my dealer "forgot" the $100 and any related docs that go with this.
Should have been a form like this:

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For those who have taken delivery and received the $100 off for the Active Drive Assist Prep Package, what paper acknowledgement did you receive? I think my dealer "forgot" the $100 and any related docs that go with this.
You should have signed a single sheet of paper at delivery that was for the $100. I didn't get a copy or anything though.
 

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For those who have taken delivery and received the $100 off for the Active Drive Assist Prep Package, what paper acknowledgement did you receive? I think my dealer "forgot" the $100 and any related docs that go with this.
There is no commitment or contract just the document posted by @hybrid2bev
 

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Should have been a form like this:

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Yup, definitely did not sign this document.

Edit: @hybrid2bev who at Ford should I follow up with? I am going to let the dealer know about this omission, but I expect resistance. This dealer had to be watched carefully - they had tremendous issues "finding" Options and then tried telling me that $299 doc fee limit was only A-plan and didn't apply to X-plan (the latter I proved to them was wrong and they moved it to the correct amount ($100.)

BTW - the dealer model stinks.
 
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For those who have taken delivery and received the $100 off for the Active Drive Assist Prep Package, what paper acknowledgement did you receive? I think my dealer "forgot" the $100 and any related docs that go with this.
I do not remember signing anything to that effect
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