Mach-E to gain access to Tesla Superchargers! Get standard NACS port starting 2025! [⚠️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS / SOCIAL / MUSK COMMENTARY]

[bp99]

Yeah, a tow vehicle with a rear port is a non-starter. Even if I have no trouble dropping the trailer from time-to-time, I don't want to always have to drop the trailer; I'd look for a different truck/tow vehicle rather than lock myself into that.

I thought I read a while ago that Tesla was going to be adding trailer friendly stalls in preparation for the Cyber Truck. Considering their standard of left rear, I'd wager the charger will be in the middle of a double length pull through on the left side to accommodate the charge port.

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[SpaceEVDriver]

I thought I read a while ago that Tesla was going to be adding trailer friendly stalls in preparation for the Cyber Truck. Considering their standard of left rear, I'd wager the charger will be in the middle of a double length pull through on the left side to accommodate the charge port.

The F-150 Lightning has its charge port in the front where it makes sense. And it works perfectly fine with CCS chargers. I think if Toyota doesn't produce a sensible BEV or PHEV pickup in a year or two, with CCS, I'll be fine buying a used 2023 F-150 Lightning in a few years and adding a large battery to my trailer--it has the load capacity for about 40-80 kWh, and I can rig up one of these to be a portable trailer-to-truck charger:
https://enteligent.com/dc-coupled-dc-evses

 

[shelnian]

The CCS is only good to 350A and the NACS is good to 900A. Ford wants to join Tesla in keeping batteries smaller, which means more charging stops on long trips. To make more stops less inconvenient, charging times need to be reduced to about 10 minutes. Ford knows that the CCS connector won't support these faster charging speeds so the only current option is the NACS connector.

 

[Hammered]

EA could swap out their 2nd cable for a NACS unit. Sure the CCS unit will still end up damaged but at least the charger won't be completely useless.

 

[Hammered]

Yeah, but Betamax was actually better than VHS.
It was invented and sold by Sony, who required other companies to license it to use it. Pretty much everyone in the industry refused and went with VHS because it didn’t have to be licensed.
Eventually, Sony tried to make it an open standard (low or no licensing), but by then, everyone else had invested and committed to VHS and Betamax died the death of hubris.

Actually, the Tesla Supercharger network is similar to Sony in the story, but the made a crucial different choice.
The Supercharger network is bigger and superior to the other networks. The crucial different choice was that they open-sourced it (NACS) much sooner, before non-NACS car sales eclipsed Tesla sales.

Curious how many others adopt it, and how soon. Wouldn't be surprised to hear GM hop on board and then claim they're the leader in NACS adoption and deployment since they're already the leading EV....whatever it is they claim to be. Given the 3600 welds in the hummer battery, perhaps they're the leader of wasted work in EV production?

Does this make ford the pr0n of the format wars?

 

[1967coupe]

The CCS is only good to 350A and the NACS is good to 900A. Ford wants to join Tesla in keeping batteries smaller, which means more charging stops on long trips. To make more stops less inconvenient, charging times need to be reduced to about 10 minutes. Ford knows that the CCS connector won't support these faster charging speeds so the only current option is the NACS connector.

Yeah, Farley mentioned keeping the battery sizes smaller to control costs in the Twitter conversation...but Ford has a LOT of work to do before they can even get close to taking advantage of even the 150-350kW charge capacities of the CCS let alone the NACS.

The posts about all the tests people have done show that Ford is way more conservative about their charging and battery managment. They are going to have to get quite a bit more accepting of non-ideal conditions in order to push into those levels of charge rates. Just looking at the comparative charge rates for Ford vs the major competitors shows all the others are willing to push their batteries much harder to get the 10-80% times as low as possible....while still offering similar 8-10yr/100k warranty period.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Wow, this is absolutely game-changing news for Ford. This will make the brand way more valuable and attractive to buyers concerned about charging network coverage and reliability. Totally didn't see this coming. I'm excited because this will suddenly allow Ford EV travel to northern Minnesota and North Dakota where there is a huge CCS hole. A couple interesting points:

• Ford is totally ditching CCS starting in 2025 for NACS. There will not be two DC ports. I assume the NACS connector will be in the Tesla position (left rear), but who knows.
• Ford is still going forward with its plan to have all its EV dealers install CCS chargers, even though they're switching to NACS soon. Future Ford EVs will need a CCS to NACS adapter to charge at dealers.
• Not sure if a J1772 will remain for AC charging or if we'll have to use an adapter like Teslas do.
• I hope the new adapter will be ~$200 and Plug & Charge will work at Superchargers.
• Cable reach is still going to be a major issue at the majority of existing Supercharger locations. This may dampen the enthusiasm significantly when we find we aren't actually able to charge at existing V3 Superchargers because the cable won't reach.
• If another major automaker like VW or GM switches to NACS, Electrify America will be obsolete and doomed unless it's able to quickly deploy NACS equipment.
• This should be a kick in the pants for someone to develop the first NACS DC charger that isn't made by Tesla (EVgo doesn't count since it's a CHAdeMO adapter).

I'll be watching this carefully in the future, hopefully we get word where the charge port will be located for future electrical planning. I might have to move my EVSE if the port will be in the back on future Fords.

 

[Mach-Lee]

There will not be 2 ports, NACS will replace CCS on Gen 2 vehicles so they will need an adapter to charge at CCS stations.

 

[Chris D]

I was thinking that too, leave the CCS where it is and make a separate rear port for NACS.

The Leaf always had two connectors, J1772 and Chademo.

The company that built these diecast models must be visionaries... they already have the 2 charge ports as you suggested. Must have inspired Jim and Elon

 

[Mtouw]

Reading the comments at charging speeds being limited to 350 with CCS.

Tesla cars in the EU have CCS charging connectors for years now. That is one of the reasons I could use Superchargers for my Mach-E for a while already because no adapter is required.

But if Ford s changing to NACS is this then a USA only thing? (99% of chargers in the EU have CCS). Although I understand you might need to change standards in the future to have more possibilities I would rather have a single (slower) standard than having to find the right charger for your brand and model.

 

[67 Stang Convertible]

I'd say this is a great win for Ford and Tesla. How long until GM is on Twitter Spaces with Elon? This feels like the 1st domino to fall. ***Not to mention, never heard of "Twitter Spaces" until yesterday. Elon is a Jedi Master of Free Advertising!!!!

As for some of the Forum members concerns about Elon's politics......Well, do you like China's politics? As most likely your house of full of Chinese goods and electronics. As Michael's song says, "start with the man in the mirror".

Elon is Pro Business & concerned about the longterm sustainability of the world. The big picture is ok with me.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Ugh, late to the opinion party. Well like with all things BEV, a year is a virtual lifetime away. With the speed things have been changing in batteries, charging and BEVs, I'm not even going to try and predict how this will all shake out in 2025.

Right now, with things warming up, I'm just happy to get my range (efficiency) back and faster charging in my garage.

Not an Elon fan but I'm sick of fumes wafting into my MME from ICEVs. The more BEVs on the road the better. Whatever it takes man.

 

[SWO]

Don’t see the supercharger stalls designed for vehicles towing something, do you?

Yep. The solution to towing isn't moving the port, it's pull-thru chargers.

 

[SWO]

Where are people reading that Ford is dropping CCS ports entirely in 2025? I'm not seeing it in the (albeit vague) press release.

 

[RickMachE]

Where are people reading that Ford is dropping CCS ports entirely in 2025? I'm not seeing it in the (albeit vague) press release.

Correct. Not stated. May be dual ports. None of us knows.

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