Mach-E to gain access to Tesla Superchargers! Get standard NACS port starting 2025! [⚠️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS / SOCIAL / MUSK COMMENTARY]

[dbsb3233]

Before getting too excited, note that the announcement says V3 chargers, not V2. I may be wrong but I think the stations with V2's show up on the Tesla SC map as "up to 150kw", while the V3's show up as "up to 250kw". From what I'm seeing, the 150's are more commonly the road trips routes between cities (that we typically care about), while the 250's are more commonly in cities (where we usually don't need to use them). There's exceptions, of course, but that's the frequent tendency for the interstates I've checked in my region.

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bo...26174686536&zoom=6&filters=supercharger,party

Still good news overall, of course, but not nearly as widespread as some may be thinking. Eventually those older V2's should get upgraded. (months? years?)

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[astronut325]

F*** YEAH! There goes my number 1 complaint of the Mach-E. Hate Musk, but the supercharger network is unrivaled. And it looks like we're getting adapters from Ford. YES!

Also, F*** EA, EVGO, ChargePoint and every other CCS network provider. They're all terrible and that's putting it kindly.

Edit:
Farley doesn't say when they're going to send out the adapters to current Ford EV owners. So they could target 2040 for all we know.

 

[Deleted member 16048]

Before getting too excited, note that the announcement says V3 chargers, not V2. I may be wrong but I think the stations with V2's show up on the Tesla SC map as "up to 150kw", while the V3's show up as "up to 250kw". From what I'm seeing, the 150's are more commonly the road trips routes between cities (that we typically care about), while the 250's are more commonly in cities (where we usually don't need to use them). There's exceptions, of course, but that's the frequent tendency for the interstates I've checked in my region.

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.292666143438105,-90.64863674686536,34.731217103958244,-122.28926174686536&zoom=6&filters=supercharger,party

Still good news overall, of course, but not nearly as widespread as some may be thinking. Eventually those older V2's should get upgraded. (months? years?)

Yeah they said V3, but then also said “All 12,000” chargers in the United States, I do not believe 12,000 sites are V3. It’s likEli they just say V3 since thats the majority of them but it will work on V2 as well. Im sure V4 will be available too, but since those are still not widespread, and details are scarce on them. We will see.

Also from a marketing perspective, it would be easier to just say V3 and not V2 and V3 since the widespread public doesn’t understand the difference.

 

[generaltso]

Does Tesla include those adapters free of charge?

No, they charge many thousands of dollars for them. But they come with a free car.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Does Tesla include those adapters free of charge?

J1772 -> NACS adapter comes free in Teslas
CCS1 -> NACS costs a couple of hundred dollars.

 

[ChasingCoral]

This is great news! CCS charging network has been a disaster. Won't effect me much as I charge at home and have access to charger at work, too. Should make travel easier for single car EV-only households. The super charging network is Tesla's best feature. Nice to see that Ford owners will get access to it. Makes choosing a Ford an even easier option. Well done Farley!

If it won't affect you, how do you know CCS charging is a disaster?

I just towed a trailer behind a Lightning for 10,000 miles and I would not call it a disaster.

 

[AZBill]

The MagicDock installations fix the pin mapping issue just fine. I've charged my Lightning at one.

Magic dock is only used on DC, so no issue there. But if someone took a magic dock and plugged it into a destination charger, the DC pins would have AC on them.

 

[dcredraider]

I agree that it would be a huge mistake and massive step backward. CCS is an open standard. NACS is proprietary, including its communications protocol, which means brand t could change it at any time, rendering Ford vehicles unable to charge or charging more slowly than they're capable of. It would be a massive mistake for Ford to trust its main competitor.

NACS is not proprietary.

 

[DanoiZ]

If it won't affect you, how do you know CCS charging is a disaster?

I just towed a trailer behind a Lightning for 10,000 miles and I would not call it a disaster.

Didn't say I never used them. I've had one use of a CCS DC Fast charger where everything went right. ONCE! THAT's, how I know. Your anecdotal evidence vs. mine.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

NACS is not proprietary.

NACS may not be proprietary, but to use the superchargers, your car still need to communicate with Tesla. I would expect the other OEM will need to make a deal with Tesla before they can use the supercharger network.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Seems like Beta won this time around #IYKYK

1. The Fat lady hasn't sung yet.
2. It ain't over till it's over.

• Cars don't stay at gas pumps long, making it possible to have 2 or more pumps on each side of each island.
• Most charging stations aren't in gas stations. They are in parking lots.

And sometimes in parking garages. This may have been the last time there was an available stall at this SC station btw.

and software

That part has a few people concerned. I think Ford will be more than a bit motivated to ensure the software portion is up to snuff. A flub, muff, bobble, or backtracking on this decision would be a bad thing.

 

[KennyPratt42]

I apologize if this has already been discussed (have only read through a handful of the pages on this thread). Is the cable lengths on the Super Chargers an issue for current Mach-Es or is that more of an issue for the Lightning? I think most of the videos and pictures I've seen are Lightnings not being able to get close enough for the cables to reach the charge port on the front left fender.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I apologize if this has already been discussed (have only read through a handful of the pages on this thread). Is the cable lengths on the Super Chargers an issue for current Mach-Es or is that more of an issue for the Lightning? I think most of the videos and pictures I've seen are Lightnings not being able to get close enough for the cables to reach the charge port on the front left fender.

Its a bit of a problem. You have to pull in real close and use the charger that is designated to next stall.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

1. The Fat lady hasn't sung yet.
2. It ain't over till it's over.

And sometimes in parking garages. This may have been the last time there was an available stall at this SC station btw.

That part has a few people concerned. I think Ford will be more than a bit motivated to ensure the software portion is up to snuff. A flub, muff, bobble, or backtracking on this decision would be a bad thing.

Tesla seems to opening up new locations at a rather rapid clip. My guess is that they may transition from a car builder, to a battery supplier/software company, supplying FSD suites, robotics, and Supercharger network company. Leave the headache of building cars to others.

Remind me of a story I heard about a guy that started a store during the the gold rush. While everyone was moving to SF to dig for gold, he made his money selling shovels.

 

[Black e]

If access to both CCCS and NACS for FORD EVS are going to be Plug and Charge .Ford will have the biggest plug and charge network in US

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