Model S Plaid & Mach E Rt 1 Roadtrip by MKBHD

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Seems like a good thing for people who want to get into an EV but don't have access to home or work charging.
I can't imagine there's many people that want to babysit the car for 30 minutes on every routine charge around home. It's one thing to do it on a few road trips/year, but twice a week every week would get old fast.

Plus it's not good for the battery to DCFC all the time.
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I can't imagine there's many people that want to babysit the car for 30 minutes on every routine charge around home. It's one thing to do it on a few road trips/year, but twice a week every week would get old fast.

Plus it's not good for the battery to DCFC all the time.
It's not babysitting if the charging station is near the grocery store/gym/etc.
While a lot of DCFC isn't ideal it beats driving an ICE vehicle.
 

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It's not babysitting if the charging station is near the grocery store/gym/etc.
While a lot of DCFC isn't ideal it beats driving an ICE vehicle.
Sometimes a DCFC will be located that perfectly but usually not. And even when it is, we're talking 1-2 times every week. Even a favorite store or restaurant or gym gets old fast at that rate, and want some different options. Most people would buy an ICE over being locked into that.

We really need the focus on L2 home charging for locals IMO, not retail charging. L2 in apartment and condo lots need to be a big focus going forward. As well as DCFC between cities for travelers. Also hotel L2.
 

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Sometimes a DCFC will be located that perfectly but usually not. And even when it is, we're talking 1-2 times every week. Even a favorite store or restaurant or gym gets old fast at that rate, and want some different options. Most people would buy an ICE over being locked into that.

We really need the focus on L2 home charging for locals IMO, not retail charging. L2 in apartment and condo lots need to be a big focus going forward. As well as DCFC between cities for travelers. Also hotel L2.
Absolutely this!! I love the convenience of my home charger but they need more of them in places where people rent and don't have garages. Maybe part of your rent?
 

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As I understand it, EA has multiple partners (3?) not all of whom, apparently, give a damn. The network was forced into existence. But, if their internal "command structure" can be sorted, obviously it can work. Relying on home chargers is like saying you can never leave home. Not a workable solution. The single thing I never see people complain about on the Tesla forums is Superchargers. I'm sure Ford has that target in mind. It's a little like saying the c8 Corvette's no good because gas stations don't work. Right now that's a head wind Ford doesn't need.
 


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The single thing I never see people complain about on the Tesla forums is Superchargers. I'm sure Ford has that target in mind. It's a little like saying the c8 Corvette's no good because gas stations don't work. Right now that's a head wind Ford doesn't need.
Generally true. Remember too that BEVs are like 1% of Ford's sales right now (albeit growing gradually), so DCFC charging networks are way down the list of things that Ford needs. I say that just as reminder that people shouldn't expect them to throw $billions at charging networks or anything.

Tesla is 5 years ahead on building out their charging network, and also only had to get it to work well on their own products. That's far easier than building a universal charging network that has to work with all manufacturers. I have a feeling Superchargers will begin to re-experience issues again after they open up to other mfgrs too (whenever that happens).

But it'll all get there. We're still in the early days.
 

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So... Tesla didn't create a proprietary charging interface for 2021, they did it back in 2012 when no one knew how things were going to shake out. A little research would show that. Ford needs to aggressively help sort EA, which as I understand it, is a semi-mess because there are three partners involved and stepping up to fix shit has been a problem.
I understand what you are trying to say (that Tesla started with almost nothing and had to build out something), but just wanted to point out that the topic of Tesla going proprietary when they need not have to has been discussed on the forum. It is not true that Tesla did not have a choice to use a standard. See post (and sources) below.

I will respectfully disagree, unless you have better sources than I could find.

The J1772 has been around since 2000 or thereabouts. CCS ("Combined Charging System") was in the works from about 2010 or thereabouts.

Meaning Tesla specifically chose to not get involved in the standard and specifically chose to go proprietary which makes one really wonder whether Elon really does want all other manufacturers to release and succeed in making EVs) when they were developing the Model S.

The Model S was released in 2012, and seven car makers (Audi, BMW, Daimler, Ford, General Motors, Porsche and Volkswagen) agreed to introduce CCS in mid-2012 with Tesla conspicuously absent from that list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.
 

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Sure Tesla could have chosen... uh? Which one? CHAdeMO -- which Nissan leaf was using? CCS (1), which was just getting started? Most people believed CHAdeMO was going to become the standard. But Chevy Volt (AC only at the time) had J1772-2009. Tesla did what they wanted: create a charging device that would be attractive to customers. But MOST importantly they wanted a charging experience that would be as BS & glitch free as possible. They succeeded.

EA is, in the US (and South Korea), CCS-1, I believe. CCS-2 is what all think will, eventually, become standard. Don't think any of this was predictable.
 

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I think we've all been in agreement here that active notification of charger status is a positive thing. That's a no-brainer.

That's a much harder task when coordinating many 3rd party networks rather than just your own proprietary one, of course. (Which Tesla will have to deal with at some point too.)
With the Tesla navigation, they are the same company that owns the charging network, so they have the real-time status. None of the other OEMs have that (Ford, GM, etc).

I almost always will choose EA first for my charging stops, and ChargePoint as a backup. Out west, EVGO only supports urban areas and they are pretty useless for road trips. The EA App provides real-time status of the chargers and can be used with CarPlay. It will even tell you the last time each charger was used, or if they are currently in use. Think of EA app as being equivalent to the Tesla charging app, not Ford navigation.

ChargePoint app, which also works with CarPlay, also has real-time status and inuse status.

And finally, have a look at Plugshare ratings for each site, that can provide valuable info. Even many Tesla drivers also use Plugshare. Just as a real life example, the ChargePoint app tells me the DFDC at Flagstaff Airport is available and working. But on Plugshare it is reported that the CCS plug is broken, only the Chademo works. Rating is at something like 3 out of 10. Here are some posts:

Ford Mustang Mach-E Model S Plaid & Mach E Rt 1 Roadtrip by MKBHD 1631567212810
 

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With the Tesla navigation, they are the same company that owns the charging network, so they have the real-time status. None of the other OEMs have that (Ford, GM, etc).

I almost always will choose EA first for my charging stops, and ChargePoint as a backup. Out west, EVGO only supports urban areas and they are pretty useless for road trips. The EA App provides real-time status of the chargers and can be used with CarPlay. It will even tell you the last time each charger was used, or if they are currently in use. Think of EA app as being equivalent to the Tesla charging app, not Ford navigation.

ChargePoint app, which also works with CarPlay, also has real-time status and inuse status.

And finally, have a look at Plugshare ratings for each site, that can provide valuable info. Even many Tesla drivers also use Plugshare. Just as a real life example, the ChargePoint app tells me the DFDC at Flagstaff Airport is available and working. But on Plugshare it is reported that the CCS plug is broken, only the Chademo works. Rating is at something like 3 out of 10. Here are some posts:

Ford Mustang Mach-E Model S Plaid & Mach E Rt 1 Roadtrip by MKBHD 1631567212810
Yep, that's almost exactly my approach too. I don't use the Ford nav, I use AA (Google Maps). For chargers, I always prioritize EA first. I use the EA app a lot, but also Plugshare to monitor comments for recent issues/problems.

And Plugshare is my go-to for finding any non-EA chargers in my pre-trip planning.
 
 




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