Motorweek's GTPE performance test results (caution: 1/4 trap speed talk within ?)

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

John Davis very succinctly explained the trap speed issue. “…You feel like you’re on your way to an 11 second 1/4 mile…..and then it’s like someone pulled the drag ‘chute too early.” ? 12.4@103mph.
They did get a 3.5 0-60 though. ??
Still a winner for most buyers.

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[Rabidsquirrel22]

You must feel pretty validated after that 11 second comment lol

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

You must feel pretty validated after that 11 second comment lol

Honestly, the early 7.7-7.8 1/8th mile ETs were all we needed to see to know it is capable of a sub-12.0 in the 1/4. Now we’re seeing 7.5s and 12.1s.

But yeah, I have a feeling a lot of the major reviewers are going to really harp on the premature slowing/trap speed issue.

 

[JoeDimwit]

These reviews, from credible sources, will be the thing that gets Ford to come out and say what’s going on, or fix it. They are going to have to take a stand somewhere.

 

[phil]

These reviews, from credible sources, will be the thing that gets Ford to come out and say what’s going on, or fix it. They are going to have to take a stand somewhere.

Maybe. They've kept quiet so far, and even a "credible source" can't compel Ford to talk about something it would rather not talk about.

 

[JoeDimwit]

Maybe. They've kept quiet so far, and even a "credible source" can't compel Ford to talk about something it would rather not talk about.

But, when Motorweek, Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and all the other magazines make the same comments, the public is going to wonder why the “Performance Edition” lacks “Performance”. At that point Ford is going to have to decide whether to lose sales because the car doesn’t perform, or come up with some sort of “fix” for the lack of performance. Otherwise, they will have to say “The Mach-E GTPE performs as designed”. Or words to that effect. These magazines are going to print “We reached out to Ford about the seeming lack of 1/4 mile performance, and they replied [reply]”. That’s just basic journalism.

 

[physib]

the public is going to wonder why the “Performance EditionL lacks “Performance”

The "public", by which I mean people who are not on this forum, are either praising the amazing 0-60 or angrily yelling about the Mustang name still. This 5-second issue has a long way until Ford feels much pressure.

 

[RMoore]

I think it's highly likely that Ford senior management is well aware of this issue. My guess is that they weighed the pros and cons of "fixing it" (and that might entail some combination of software and hardware changes) vs not, the potential reaction of a small group of enthusiasts, the reviews by independent experts, and how social media might influence sales and reputation. There was likely pressure to get these cars on the market (Ford's CEO ultimately reports to the Board and as a company they have to appease shareholders) and sometimes in a sector with rapidly evolving technology that can mean that there will be bugs and kinks to work out, more so than with standard ICE vehicles, which of course have their own issues when they first come out. In a large company it's not all that straightforward for an engineer to come out and talk about something like this without clearance from very high up in the company. I bet there are all sorts of conversations happening about this at different levels of the company. Will be interesting to see when and what they end up saying.

 

[physib]

Personally I'm not optimistic, but it's also not an issue that affects me.

 

[JoeDimwit]

The "public", by which I mean people who are not on this forum, are either praising the amazing 0-60 or angrily yelling about the Mustang name still. This 5-second issue has a long way until Ford feels much pressure.

Because that is all they really know about the car.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

The "public", by which I mean people who are not on this forum, are either praising the amazing 0-60 or angrily yelling about the Mustang name still. This 5-second issue has a long way until Ford feels much pressure.

I disagree. As soon as Edmunds, CD, MT, et al run their first comparison tests against the Tesla Model Y along with videos it’s going to come to the forefront. Because an 8-10mph 1/4 mile trap speed disparity is going to raise eyebrows and become the subject of much conjecture within the professional review ranks.

And the 5 seconds of 100% power is gonna go over like a lead balloon. The technical directors are going to be all over that.

Not to mention the whole 4X 1/4 mile trap speed being virtually equal to the GT’s.

As stated in comments above and ad nauseum in the 1/4 mile threads, the decision to name it Mustang, create GT and GTPE models, and, state in teaser videos that it needs to drive and perform like a Mustang has created a set of expectations that a 103-105mph trap speed is far from meeting.

Oh yeah, the tweets from that one guy on Twitter called Elon where he “@“ Jim Farley are going to be the stuff of adolescent legend.

 

[BMT1071]

John Davis very succinctly explained the trap speed issue. “…You feel like you’re on your way to an 11 second 1/4 mile…..and then it’s like someone pulled the drag ‘chute too early.” ? 12.4@103mph.
They did get a 3.5 0-60 though. ??
Still a winner for most buyers.

It seemed like a fair review. I guess I'm a little surprised that John Davis didn't lose his shit about the trap speed like some users on here. ??

 

[HuntingPudel]

I disagree. As soon as Edmunds, CD, MT, et al run their first comparison tests against the Tesla Model Y along with videos it’s going to come to the forefront. Because an 8-10mph 1/4 mile trap speed disparity is going to raise eyebrows and become the subject of much conjecture within the professional review ranks.

And the 5 seconds of 100% power is gonna go over like a lead balloon. The technical directors are going to be all over that.

Not to mention the whole 4X 1/4 mile trap speed being virtually equal to the GT’s.

As stated in comments above and ad nauseum in the 1/4 mile threads, the decision to name it Mustang, create GT and GTPE models, and, state in teaser videos that it needs to drive and perform like a Mustang has created a set of expectations that a 103-105mph trap speed is far from meeting.

Oh yeah, the tweets from that one guy on Twitter called Elon where he “@“ Jim Farley are going to be the stuff of adolescent legend.

Heh, even if Jim takes the high road, I don’t think Mr. Musk will.

I hope that Ford will com up with a response of some sort. It’s been 3 months since the first GT-PE was delivered and gave us this acid reflux. So far, not a word from Ford. I think I would be happier with a big “F-U” from Ford than the deafening silence.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

It seemed like a fair review. I guess I'm a little surprised that John Davis didn't lose his shit about the trap speed like some users on here. ??

What you heard was John Davis literally losing his shit, haha, that’s as shit-losing as I’ve heard him in a while. ?

 

[silverelan]

Heh, even if Jim takes the high road, I don’t think Mr. Musk will.

I hope that Ford will com up with a response of some sort. It’s been 3 months since the first GT-PE was delivered and gave us this acid reflux. So far, not a word from Ford. I think I would be happier with a big “F-U” from Ford than the deafening silence.

Based on Darren Palmer's previous comments, they're well aware of the quarter mile kerfuffle. Until he said a few weeks ago that they're opening the pack capacity up, moving the 80% cliff, and increasing charge speed, it was silence on that front too.

So, chances are good that they're working on a dragstrip mode and we'll see improvements in trap speed & time.

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