Munro is not happy with the Mach-E, back in Tesla fanboy mode

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I decided to take one for the team here and 1.5x'd my way through his long-winded video. It all came down to:
a) There's lots of parts;
b) That's more parts than Tesla;
c) More parts = bad;
d) The purpose of my company is to tell other companies how to package things more cheaply;
e) I used to work at Ford. A long, long time ago.
f) Did I mention I used to work at Ford?

I will humbly admit that I am not engineer, and certainly know next to nothing about packaging, heat exchange systems, designing reliable mechanical systems, etc. However, I will say I've learned nothing of use in this video.

YMMV, I guess.
 

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I'm not gonna watch and hope I never see that nightmare-inducing picture of him again.
Maybe you should watch. My Mach-e is scheduled to be built June 21 and what he says still seems to make a lot of sense, particularly the risk of fluid leaks and why the frunk divider exists.
Tesla apparently improved their design in a year and Ford might be able to do the same.
 

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With all due disrespect… he is a bafoon. its clear that he is claiming expertise that he doesn’t have. The frunk release wasn’t forgotten, it isn’t enabled yet, which required the dividers to be installed, which then necessitated the drilling of the mounting holes. I also noticed that he laid out every piece under the hood and claimed that they all made it much more complex than teslas design, in which he only included the tub, not all the surrounding covers.

This clown can go eat a family sized bag of rancid d*ck tips.
 

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Maybe you should watch. My Mach-e is scheduled to be built June 21 and what he says still seems to make a lot of sense, particularly the risk of fluid leaks and why the frunk divider exists.
Tesla apparently improved their design in a year and Ford might be able to do the same.
He is 100% WRONG about why the divider exists.
 
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I decided to take one for the team here and 1.5x'd my way through his long-winded video. It all came down to:
a) There's lots of parts;
b) That's more parts than Tesla;
c) More parts = bad;
d) The purpose of my company is to tell other companies how to package things more cheaply;
e) I used to work at Ford. A long, long time ago.
f) Did I mention I used to work at Ford?

I will humbly admit that I am not engineer, and certainly know next to nothing about packaging, heat exchange systems, designing reliable mechanical systems, etc. However, I will say I've learned nothing of use in this video.

YMMV, I guess.
He also mentions that Ford doesn't work with his company anymore....
 

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Good thing hoses today last around 10 years and they have constant tension clamps not single wire. Going to be heavy costs on maintenance down the long and winding road.
 

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Good thing hoses today last around 10 years and they have constant tension clamps not single wire. Going to be heavy costs on maintenance down the long and winding road.
From the video I thought all those hoses would be leaking all day, everyday, with all those commercial-off-the-shelf fasteners/clamps!
 

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That was WAY over-dramatised, even the parts that was not intentionally dramatised. All that basically just said this:
1. Tesla has made this valve thing inside a metal piece
2. Ford (and everyone else) has made it with hoses and multiple pieces.
3. Ford (or anybody else) is wrong for not copying Tesla.

I was hoping for some more technical details, but there was none, just "too many hoses and too many screews, too many parts". Well.. give us some technical details at least about what they do instead of just complaining that we get too many parts.

And within that there was just a whole lot of strange things about a battery cover and an additional cover over some electrical connections..

I think a lot of this might make sense if taking into account:
1: Ford is making a lot of cars.. for a lot of markets with a whole lot of different climates and requirements. A cooling system is in some parts of the world more a "heating system" than a cooling system. Tesla is making cars for California with "some tweaks" that made it work in other markets after a while (not in the beginning).
2: They have a repair shop system already with lots of smaller shop which can fix things.. even right away when a hose is broken, or a screw is lost, without ordering special parts. With a Tesla you might have to transport the car far away to some special "Tesla approved" shop, which has to replace parts with special parts not in stock.
 

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I think on the surface the thoughts about the hoses and clamps make sense. I mean, if there's no connection, then a leak can only happen if the hose itself is compromised.

However (and this is just logical reasoning, I don't have the numbers) I would imagine that these hoses and clamps that were designed for the pressures and temps of an ICE vehicle will not be coming even close to those thresholds in a BEV. I just can't see it getting hot enough. So all these "off the shelf" parts would be from an engineering standpoint, massive overkill for this purpose. Meaning the likelihood of failure drops dramatically.

And lets not pretend for a second that the mighty octovalve has been the perfect working solution. :D

Interesting watch, but nothing new... I actually found a thread here from January going over this exact thing Here.
 

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He could be right, and in any case, the Mach-e is Ford's largest attempt at developing an EV.

I'm not going to insult him just because his views might 'hurt' some people here.

If Ford continues to innovate in the EV space, whatever he says will be moot in the 2nd or 3rd generation of the mach-e. You can't get everything right and/or optimized your first try.

Hopefully the Ford leadership allows the mach-e team to continue to innovate and make a great car. Ford REALLY needs to work on follow-up with their customers, better ordering systems and fix the damned charging.

They should have that all worked out by the time my GTP is built :D
 

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Maybe you should watch. My Mach-e is scheduled to be built June 21 and what he says still seems to make a lot of sense, particularly the risk of fluid leaks and why the frank divider exists.
Tesla apparently improved their design in a year and Ford might be able to do the same.
Will watching that change anything? My car is what it is at this point. Unless there is some preventative maintenance I can perform, it sounds like fear-mongering.

I have watched some of his videos, but even a modicum of critical thinking begs the question of why does he do them? What's his agenda? Most of this stuff is self-serving clickbait. It obviously comes down to marketing/publicity, trying to be relevant, and generating business. People love "experts" and the more he presents himself as one, the more people will talk about him and his opinions and give him credibility. It's actually pretty smart marketing, but see it for what it is.

In some of the videos, he makes "expert" remarks about completely subjective design choices that have nothing to do with engineering. My non-engineer opinion about the looks of a car is just as valid as his. I've seen many mistakes and wrong conclusions pointed out by others. I really got turned off when I saw him test-driving a car, hitting 90 on the freeway and expressing impatience at the people in his way. It was irresponsible and dangerous.

Maybe I'm being harsh. He reminds me of everybody's weird uncle that we have to see on holidays. But here, I can choose not to watch while I'm eating my turkey.
 

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