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I think it’s highly probable that we’ll see additional functionality added to the knob via OTAs over the next year or so.
Probably in the next year or less.
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I think it’s highly probable that we’ll see additional functionality added to the knob via OTAs over the next year or so.
After 3 months, I've not received any OTA updates. Those that did receive them can't really say what if anything the changed. Ford is certainly keeping mum. If Ford does add some mythical functionality to the volume dial, won't they have to add some capability to change the mode? They can either bury it in the menus (is that really useful?), or take additional screen space to make this work.

Incidentally the screen on my TV and my laptop and my phone don't have a giant ugly dial glued to it, and I managed to live without it.
 

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After 3 months, I've not received any OTA updates. Those that did receive them can't really say what if anything the changed. Ford is certainly keeping mum. If Ford does add some mythical functionality to the volume dial, won't they have to add some capability to change the mode? They can either bury it in the menus (is that really useful?), or take additional screen space to make this work.

Incidentally the screen on my TV and my laptop and my phone don't have a giant ugly dial glued to it, and I managed to live without it.
The two ota's and what they were for has been discussed ad nauseum in this forum. Substantive updates will start occurring in the third quarter.
 

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The two ota's and what they were for has been discussed ad nauseum in this forum. Substantive updates will start occurring in the third quarter.
Ad nauseum yes. A lot of guesses, but no confirmed details of what was included. 3rd quarter is just around the corners, so we'll see. We'll also see if Ford decides to share their change log at some point.
 

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Ad nauseum yes. A lot of guesses, but no confirmed details of what was included. 3rd quarter is just around the corners, so we'll see. We'll also see if Ford decides to share their change log at some point.
Actually the details on the two OTAs were given very early on in the discussion. It’s just that most decided that couldn’t be what they really were doing or missed the posts. There’s nothing in those OTAs that would be noticed by us. That doesn’t mean they were just h FJ it show though.
 
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After 3 months, I've not received any OTA updates. Those that did receive them can't really say what if anything the changed. Ford is certainly keeping mum. If Ford does add some mythical functionality to the volume dial, won't they have to add some capability to change the mode? They can either bury it in the menus (is that really useful?), or take additional screen space to make this work.

Incidentally the screen on my TV and my laptop and my phone don't have a giant ugly dial glued to it, and I managed to live without it.
No, it would actually be very simple. If you tap fan speed, the dial briefly controls fan speed before reverting back to volume. If you tap temp, the dial briefly controls temp before reverting back to volume. It would be extremely easy to implement and extremely intuitive.

The comparison to handheld devices fails for two reasons: 1. A handheld is handheld. The infotainment screen is not, reaching out to carefully slide something up and down with one finger while driving is harder than you think. 2. There is some slight but undeniable lag to system, making finger sliding even more cumbersome.
 

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Ad nauseum yes. A lot of guesses, but no confirmed details of what was included. 3rd quarter is just around the corners, so we'll see. We'll also see if Ford decides to share their change log at some point.
The first substantive OTA update was first promised by Farley “soon” back in January 2021. Then service techs started promising us “Q2 2021.” There’s no reason to trust any timeline. Yay Ford’s gonna fix / add this by Q__ 20__!!
 

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Incidentally the screen on my TV and my laptop and my phone don't have a giant ugly dial glued to it, and I managed to live without it.
But your TV and your laptop have physical buttons and none of those three require you to pay a high level attention elsewhere while accessing functions. From a purely functional perspective, electro-mechanical or mechanical controls are safer in a vehicle than touch. I actually hate the touch controls in my Fusion Because they require that I look at the touch panel rather than the road.
 
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An old fashioned calculator app would be nice...
 

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But your TV and your laptop have physical buttons and none of those three require you to pay a high level attention elsewhere while accessing functions. From a purely functional perspective, electro-mechanical or mechanical controls are safer in a vehicle than touch. I actually hate the touch controls in my Fusion Because they require that I look at the touch panel rather than the road.
I agree my 2006 Mustang has no touch screen or display screen at all, along with no steering wheel controls. But it’s very easy to switch radio stations, alter the volume, mess with the a/c through the dials and switches, etc. because I have easily committed there location to muscle memory and can reach out without looking to hit the button or turn the dial I want.

But screens, especially giant screens, sure look nicer in the cabin.
 

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But your TV and your laptop have physical buttons and none of those three require you to pay a high level attention elsewhere while accessing functions. From a purely functional perspective, electro-mechanical or mechanical controls are safer in a vehicle than touch. I actually hate the touch controls in my Fusion Because they require that I look at the touch panel rather than the road.
Yes my TV has a single physical button. On/Off. And I never use it. All the controls are on the remote. Changing volume on the TV is very easy via remote. Changing volume is very easy on MME using controls on the wheel. Still no need for a big ugly dial.
 

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Actually the details on the two OTAs were given very early on in the discussion. It’s just that most decided that couldn’t be what they really were doing or missed the posts. There’s nothing in those OTAs that would be noticed by us. That doesn’t mean they were just h FJ it show though.
Unless there is some sort of change log from Ford that you can point me to, all the discussions are just guesses, rumors, and innuendos.
 

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I believe the variations in reliability is partially due to Android vs iPhone. I have a Samsung Note 10 which was top-of-the-line not that long ago and setting up PAAK reports "phone not supported".

Also I believe I received an email that some Android fixes are coming in the next update in June. I hope so.

Until it's reliable on all platforms, sales folks should not use it as a selling point.
Got the same message for my s 20 fe "phone not compatible". After my 4th try to setup and same message I tapped on continue setup and was able to setup my s20 fe as a key and after a month it's just working better and better. Try tapping on continue and good luck.
 

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Yes my TV has a single physical button. On/Off. And I never use it. All the controls are on the remote. Changing volume on the TV is very easy via remote. Changing volume is very easy on MME using controls on the wheel. Still no need for a big ugly dial.
The relmote is what I was referring to. They are still physical buttons.

My point is that virtual buttons for frequently accessed commands is simply not a good idea in a moving vehicle. They are just fine on a tablet or phone where you are not in charge of a rather large projectile. The climate controls really should have physical counterparts Since they are accessed pretty regularly while in motion.

While not ideal, the knob could serve as a physical control. It’s already there, so we are not getting rid of it in the 2021 model.
 

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Yes my TV has a single physical button. On/Off. And I never use it. All the controls are on the remote. Changing volume on the TV is very easy via remote. Changing volume is very easy on MME using controls on the wheel. Still no need for a big ugly dial.
This has just gotten stupid. You don't like the dial, fine. You think it's ugly, fine. To compare a moving vehicle, where attention and eyes must remain on the road while performing other tasks, to your TV (across the room, hello remote control) and computer (where hands are constantly resting on the very keyboard that controls the volume) is idiotic. Now you're just trolling and being argumentative.

I've read countless posts here from people that prefer a volume dial, clearly outnumbering those who don't. (Many prefer it so much, they want the dial to perform other tasks.) Honda removed the volume dial from their infotainment system, got absolutely hammered for it in many reviews and by users as well. They added it back.

This is an interesting read about how Ford developed the concept and execution of the volume dial (it's patented). Ford obviously conducts market research and uses focus groups and wouldn't have expended the resources had they not come to the conclusion that it was important to the majority of people.

Apparently, you only drive in your car alone. Passengers often want to adjust the volume as well, and grabbing the steering wheel to do it isn't a good solution. Stop digging; you're in the minority.
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