NHTSA opens probe into BlueCruise

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Bluecruise will dissappear from our Bluecruise equipped cars because the driver still has to stop the vehicle using the brake pedal, if someone parks on the interstate?

I don't know if I buy that.

If Bluecruise dissappears, it'll be because nobody is buying the subscription rate.
if other vehicles don't have this limitation then I don't see why it will continue to exist in the current form

It is understandable if this is not a "solved' problem but it is

It's not about someone parking themselves on the interstate. Anything that causes stopped traffic and your car can fail to see it. Could be routine traffic in a big city. Because the car slows down for lead vehicles, it can catch you off guard because it is slowing down for cars except when it doesn't.
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it's ignorant because it does not know the difference between autopilot and full self driving.
Nobody knows the difference. That's the problem when you use ambiguous terms to name your driving systems.
 

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Nobody knows the difference. That's the problem when you use ambiguous terms to name your driving systems.
everyone knows the difference who has used the two systems. They clearly do not perform the same.

Autopilot has phantom braking but otherwise has pretty decent lane centering abilities to where it will go for 100s of miles without shutting off.

FSD drives everywhere and is clearly a different level of performance.

People who are "ignorant" use the terms interchangeably but any tesla owner who cares about the technology clearly knows the difference.

Only slightly confusing thing is that tesla has a product called "enhanced autopilot" which you can no longer buy.
 

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No, I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I find the timing a bit suspect given today's ascension of Elon as Crown Prince Dauphin. BTW, note that Reuters just changed the headline from "opens" into "upgrades."
I thought elmo was the orange cretin's first lady? Are you saying that's not so?
 

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So, predictably, this thread has lost the thread, and devolved into some weird debate over Tesla software.

Again, if the NHTSA is going to open an investigation into BlueCruise over not stopping for stationary objects, then it’s gonna have to open the same investigation into all makes and models equipped with even regular cruise control (which has been in existence for 40+ years?). It could just as easily happen on regular CC, and probably does on annual basis by at least 100x.

Plus all makes and models with Adaptive Cruise Control. Because - putting Tesla aside for argument’s sake - the tech is deliberately designed to not detect stationary objects, or else the cars would be phantom braking all over the damned place.

It’s just dumb.

As a result, we’re probably gonna get another annoying pop-up on our IPCs whenever we engage BC that “this doesn’t stop for stationary objects, dummy.”
 


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So, predictably, this thread has lost the thread, and devolved into some weird debate over Tesla software.

Again, if the NHTSA is going to open an investigation into BlueCruise over not stopping for stationary objects, then it’s gonna have to open the same investigation into all makes and models equipped with even regular cruise control (which has been in existence for 40+ years?). It could just as easily happen on regular CC, and probably does on annual basis by at least 100x.

Plus all makes and models with Adaptive Cruise Control. Because - putting Tesla aside for argument’s sake - the tech is deliberately designed to not detect stationary objects, or else the cars would be phantom braking all over the damned place.

It’s just dumb.

As a result, we’re probably gonna get another annoying pop-up on our IPCs whenever we engage BC that “this doesn’t stop for stationary objects, dummy.”
There are ways around this with adaptive cruise control. There are ways to not have phantom braking.

It's as simple as using better quality radar or lidar. It's also as simple as using stereo cameras or monocular depth estimation.

Regular cruise control systems (non-adaptive)are only designed to keep a set speed. This is completely different than a hands free driverless system whose sole purpose is to assist in driving tasks.

And doing something as elementary as seeing a stopped vehicle can cause problems when you see online other systems which do not have this limitation.

presumably mobileye systems can solve this problem. Any car with lidar such as mercedes or lucid will not have this problem.


Comma.ai which you can install in any vehicle does not have this problem.

you are worried about a popup? I'd be worried that bluecruise goes away. Seeing a stopped vehicle is a solvable problem. Bluecruise uses some kind of computer to perform the driving tasks. That computer is easily capable of running monocular depth estimation
 

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There are ways around this with adaptive cruise control. There are ways to not have phantom braking.

It's as simple as using better quality radar or lidar. It's also as simple as using stereo cameras or monocular depth estimation.

Regular cruise control systems (non-adaptive)are only designed to keep a set speed. This is completely different than a hands free driverless system whose sole purpose is to assist in driving tasks.

And doing something as elementary as seeing a stopped vehicle can cause problems when you see online other systems which do not have this limitation.

presumably mobileye systems can solve this problem. Any car with lidar such as mercedes or lucid will not have this problem.


Comma.ai which you can install in any vehicle does not have this problem.

you are worried about a popup? I'd be worried that bluecruise goes away. Seeing a stopped vehicle is a solvable problem. Bluecruise uses some kind of computer to perform the driving tasks. That computer is easily capable of running monocular depth estimation
Thanks, Elon. That’s super helpful for the hundred thousand cars rocking’ current hardware. And it still MISSES THE POINT about regular cruise control.
 

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Thanks, Elon. That’s super helpful for the hundred thousand cars rocking’ current hardware. And it still MISSES THE POINT about regular cruise control.
current hardware? There is a self driving computer of some sort to run bluecruise. It could be updated to perform monocular depth estimation just like tesla is doing. I doubt the compute would be any more demanding than what bluecruise is already using

Regular cruise control is different because it is not designed to slow down. You only use it on interstates where there is no traffic. I admit i have enabled cruise in a school zone as to avoid speeding, but a lot of cruise control systems have minimums of how slow you can set it.
 

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current hardware? There is a self driving computer of some sort to run bluecruise. It could be updated to perform monocular depth estimation just like tesla is doing. I doubt the compute would be any more demanding than what bluecruise is already using
LOL ok. Yes, that’s very realistic. Are you just here looking for someone to stroke your ego about the superiority of Tesla’s software? Here you go: It is superior in many respects. I’m a big fan of Tesla. I just wasn’t a fan of the Model 3/Y’s fugly exterior styling.

Regular cruise control is different because it is not designed to slow down.
Neither is adaptive cruise, at least not for stationary objects (the super duper amazing Tesla software notwithstanding).
 

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LOL ok. Yes, that’s very realistic. Are you just here looking for someone to stroke your ego about the superiority of Tesla’s software? Here you go: It is superior in many respects. I’m a big fan of Tesla. I just wasn’t a fan of the Model 3/Y’s fugly exterior styling.



Neither is adaptive cruise, at least not for stationary objects (the super duper amazing Tesla software notwithstanding).
other cars with radar seem to have a limitation of 45mph+ not seeing stopped cars. I've seen reports of the mach e not seeing stopped cars as low as 30mph. That's alarmingly bad
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