No all season tire option with GT performance edition

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I can’t remember way back when, but did Ford offer a choice of tire types on the other trims? I’d check now but all Mach-Es are unavailable for order. I know the wheels were an option, but were the tires. I thought all of them came with all-seasons, but could be wrong. So maybe this gripe is not just with the GTPE, but their business model overall.

Since I can’t believe I missed this post back in March, I’ll add my 2cents now. I am so thankful that Ford forced the summer only tires (it saved me from having to incur this necessary expense, which I had the dealer swap with Pirelli Winter only tires immediately upon delivery in January) because it will force others to realize the DRAMATIC difference between a purpose built item and a good at all/great at nothing item. All season tires have a place, such as on my wife’s Grand Cherokee or my old Cadillac SRX. But not on anything pushed for Performance because as good as material scientists think they are, there are very few materials that can swing from -10deg to 110deg and keep the same elasticity. Put a bunch of soft rubbery things that were sitting in the sun into the freezer and let me know how that works out. There is a big difference between something that works, like a tire that can get you up a hill on a snowy day, and a tire that can hold a high speed corner on a -10deg road.

 

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I can’t remember way back when, but did Ford offer a choice of tire types on the other trims? I’d check now but all Mach-Es are unavailable for order. I know the wheels were an option, but were the tires. I thought all of them came with all-seasons, but could be wrong. So maybe this gripe is not just with the GTPE, but their business model overall.

Since I can’t believe I missed this post back in March, I’ll add my 2cents now. I am so thankful that Ford forced the summer only tires (it saved me from having to incur this necessary expense, which I had the dealer swap with Pirelli Winter only tires immediately upon delivery in January) because it will force others to realize the DRAMATIC difference between a purpose built item and a good at all/great at nothing item. All season tires have a place, such as on my wife’s Grand Cherokee or my old Cadillac SRX. But not on anything pushed for Performance because as good as material scientists think they are, there are very few materials that can swing from -10deg to 110deg and keep the same elasticity. Put a bunch of soft rubbery things that were sitting in the sun into the freezer and let me know how that works out. There is a big difference between something that works, like a tire that can get you up a hill on a snowy day, and a tire that can hold a high speed corner on a -10deg road.
There was no choice in the matter. So that point is made, you had to do a little bit of research to figure out what wheels and tires you got. Which is not what many of us are accustomed to. But this wasn't exactly hidden or unknown to anyone responsibility paying 70K+ for a vehicle.

But it sure is fun to rant! I even picked up a few tidbits in this thread, so keep 'em coming posters!
 

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I can’t remember way back when, but did Ford offer a choice of tire types on the other trims? I’d check now but all Mach-Es are unavailable for order. I know the wheels were an option, but were the tires. I thought all of them came with all-seasons, but could be wrong. So maybe this gripe is not just with the GTPE, but their business model overall.

Since I can’t believe I missed this post back in March, I’ll add my 2cents now. I am so thankful that Ford forced the summer only tires (it saved me from having to incur this necessary expense, which I had the dealer swap with Pirelli Winter only tires immediately upon delivery in January) because it will force others to realize the DRAMATIC difference between a purpose built item and a good at all/great at nothing item. All season tires have a place, such as on my wife’s Grand Cherokee or my old Cadillac SRX. But not on anything pushed for Performance because as good as material scientists think they are, there are very few materials that can swing from -10deg to 110deg and keep the same elasticity. Put a bunch of soft rubbery things that were sitting in the sun into the freezer and let me know how that works out. There is a big difference between something that works, like a tire that can get you up a hill on a snowy day, and a tire that can hold a high speed corner on a -10deg road.
Bigger concern was how the battery held up to your winter driving habits... Just got mine, so I have about seven months before I fret about that.
 

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Reality- I have to buy another set of tires when I should only have to buy one set (all-season) that fits the need of the consumer, because that consumer lives in multiple seasons.
Exactly.

You want what you want and don’t want to pay extra for it.
 
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There was no choice in the matter. So that point is made, you had to do a little bit of research to figure out what wheels and tires you got. Which is not what many of us are accustomed to. But this wasn't exactly hidden or unknown to anyone responsibility paying 70K+ for a vehicle.

But it sure is fun to rant! I even picked up a few tidbits in this thread, so keep 'em coming posters!
The only difference between a GT and a GTPE is the Magnaride and a few pounds of torque on the front motor so you can go 3.5 sec 0-60 instead of 3.7, so not much of a "performance" difference there. But for some reason we can get all-season tires on the regular GT. As far as I'm concerned, Magnaride should be offered on all trim levels as it is an overall better suspension system for a "heavy EV" than the standard on it, and the P Zero tires can be an option when getting the Magnaride with the GT series only. The performance package with the GTPE is marketing BS, it most likely has to do with Ford and Pirelli making a deal to have the P Zero proprietary with the Magnaride system (increased sales for Pirelli, equals reduced product cost for Ford).
 
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The only difference between a GT and a GTPE is the Magnaride and a few pounds of torque on the front motor so you can go 3.5 sec 0-60 instead of 3.7, so not much of a "performance" difference there. But for some reason we can get all-season tires on the regular GT. As far as I'm concerned, Magnaride should be offered on all trim levels as it is an overall better suspension system for a "heavy EV" than the standard on it, and the P Zero tires can be an option when getting the Magnaride with the GT series only. The performance package with the GTPE is marketing BS, it most likely has to do with Ford and Pirelli making a deal to have the P Zero proprietary with the Magnaride system.
Along with those summer tires are wider wheels, too.

And don't forget the seats (plus subtle interior differences). I do like the bolster support of the PE seats.
 

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Along with those summer tires are wider wheels, too.

And don't forget the seats (plus subtle interior differences). I do like the bolster support of the PE seats.
If you're referencing the GT vs GTPE wheels they are the same size. (20x8)
 

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The only difference between a GT and a GTPE is the Magnaride and a few pounds of torque on the front motor so you can go 3.5 sec 0-60 instead of 3.7, so not much of a "performance" difference there. But for some reason we can get all-season tires on the regular GT. As far as I'm concerned, Magnaride should be offered on all trim levels as it is an overall better suspension system for a "heavy EV" than the standard on it, and the P Zero tires can be an option when getting the Magnaride with the GT series only. The performance package with the GTPE is marketing BS, it most likely has to do with Ford and Pirelli making a deal to have the P Zero proprietary with the Magnaride system.
Since the GT and GTPE have the same front and rear motors, batteries, drive components and horsepower, the increased torque comes solely from the summer tires. Essentially transferring that power to the pavement. And the reason that the regular GT comes with All-Seasons is because that is really the only option. If not summer only there is only 2 options left, all-season and winter only. There would be a whole lot of bitch’n if the GT came with winter only tires, ha ha. I suppose all-terrain is an option too.
 

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If you're referencing the GT vs GTPE wheels they are the same size. (20x8)
Oh wow. I thought I saw (probably last year) that the GT has 7.5" wide wheels.

Since the GT and GTPE have the same front and rear motors, batteries, drive components and horsepower, the increased torque comes solely from the summer tires. Essentially transferring that power to the pavement. And the reason that the regular GT comes with All-Seasons is because that is really the only option. If not summer only there is only 2 options left, all-season and winter only. There would be a whole lot of bitch’n if the GT came with winter only tires, ha ha. I suppose all-terrain is an option too.
The marketing materials specify the extra torque comes from some tweaking/tuning of the front motor. They've never released any specifics, but I can't imagine they would rate/specifiy motor torque higher just because the tires have more grip.
 

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Oh wow. I thought I saw (probably last year) that the GT has 7.5" wide wheels.



The marketing materials specify the extra torque comes from some tweaking/tuning of the front motor. They've never released any specifics, but I can't imagine they would rate/specifiy motor torque higher just because the tires have more grip.
Aaaaa, correct. It is the quicker 0-60 I was confusing the summer tires with. But, someone is playing some funny math because Horsepower = Torque * RPM/5252. So it seems strange the Torque goes up to 634 and the Horsepower doesn’t move to 500 or 505.
 

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Aaaaa, correct. It is the quicker 0-60 I was confusing the summer tires with. But, someone is playing some funny math because Horsepower = Torque * RPM/5252. So it seems strange the Torque goes up to 634 and the Horsepower doesn’t move to 500 or 505.
Yes I agree it is strange. We do know, however, they don't have these motors pushing 100% of their capabilities, so maybe they just unlocked slightly more in a very specific rpm range in only the front. lol
 

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The only difference between a GT and a GTPE is the Magnaride and a few pounds of torque on the front motor so you can go 3.5 sec 0-60 instead of 3.7, so not much of a "performance" difference there. But for some reason we can get all-season tires on the regular GT. As far as I'm concerned, Magnaride should be offered on all trim levels as it is an overall better suspension system for a "heavy EV" than the standard on it, and the P Zero tires can be an option when getting the Magnaride with the GT series only. The performance package with the GTPE is marketing BS, it most likely has to do with Ford and Pirelli making a deal to have the P Zero proprietary with the Magnaride system (increased sales for Pirelli, equals reduced product cost for Ford).
Wheels, tires, brakes, suspension, seats and some extra torque.

Not marketing BS, just an optional package. It’s not a different model. Both GT and GTPE…….are GTs.

It’s pretty much the same performance edition that’s been an option on ICE Mustang GTs for years.

And yes, it also comes with “Summer tires.”

https://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/models/gt-premium-fastback/
 
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Oh wow. I thought I saw (probably last year) that the GT has 7.5" wide wheels.



The marketing materials specify the extra torque comes from some tweaking/tuning of the front motor. They've never released any specifics, but I can't imagine they would rate/specifiy motor torque higher just because the tires have more grip.
 
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The way I see it is you get to go point 2 seconds faster 0-60 with P Zero than with all-season tires. That said I'd rather not have to buy extra tires and rims and change them out twice a year just because I live in the other half of the country where everyone else uses all-season tires. Food for thought, what if there are 2 identical Mach E GTPE, one with P Zero tires and the other one with high performance all-season tires. It is 20 degrees Fahrenheit with dry pavement, which one wins the race?
 

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The way I see it is you get to go point 2 seconds faster 0-60 with P Zero than with all-season tires. That said I'd rather not have to buy extra tires and rims and change them out twice a year just because I live in the other half of the country where everyone else uses all-season tires. Food for thought, what if there are 2 identical Mach E GTPE, one with P Zero tires and the other one with high performance all-season tires. It is 20 degrees Fahrenheit with dry pavement, which one wins the race?
I can't disagree with you there. I don't see a problem with them offering both options (edit: of course I don't expect them to have all the options available at first-year launch. Heck, I couldn't even get Active 360 without the Pano roof, which you could get on the base GT. I'm more upset about that than I would be about a tire option, as I wanted the steel roof. At least one can be changed pretty easily afterwards, and one cannot be at all. :-( ). I prefer it coming with summer tires. Of course it helps with the 0-60 times, and it also accounts for the 10 mile loss in range.

I can absolutely see why people like all season tires. I always get rid of my all season tires right away and buy dedicated summer and dedicated winters for my cars. I buy dedicated winters for my wife's vehicle, but put all season on for the other 3 seasons for her.

 
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