Now an Electric Escape in the Wings

[Jolteon]

You're coming from a different perspective than 97% of the car buying public. You've already transitioned to BEV, so you see no value in a PHEV. I can assure you that there are many who would like to have the security of that gas engine for longer drives, and will be happy just to drive electric on their short commute and around town. There are even some on this forum, including me: while I am getting the MME for myself, I am pushing the wife to a PHEV just for that security blanket of the gas engine for long drives. I would like to be comfortable enough to use the MME for long drives, but I am going to have to work up to it.

Yeah I had a PHEV before the BEV. It really was a "worst of both worlds" solution and I regretted it tremendously.

FHEVs make sense, BEVs make sense. PHEVs are the worst of both worlds, expensive, compromised, range anxiety inducing. FHEVs are better hybrids, BEVs are better EVs. The PHEV price premium would never be recoverable vs an FHEV without government subsidy, but the BEV price premium would be.

PHEVs time has come and gone, and will not come again. There are no cars I dislike more, honestly, and I've owned one. If I had to buy a gas burner since I couldn't afford a BEV or didn't have home charging, I'd buy a FHEV.

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[timbop]

Yeah I had a PHEV before the BEV. It really was a "worst of both worlds" solution and I regretted it tremendously.

And once again, you are asserting that dislike based on your experience AFTER you bought the PHEV. People transitioning from an ICE don't have the perspective you have now, and WILL be buying PHEV's as a stepping stone - just like you did.

 

[trutolife27]

Vehicle Electrification Market by Product, 48V, ICE, BEV, HEV, PHEV, Vehicle Type And Region - Global Forecast to 2025
Demand for increased fuel economy, low maintenance cost, and improved performance are boosting the trend of vehicle electrification. The vehicle electrification market is projected to grow at a CAGR of 11.
September 16, 2020 04:09 ET |


New York, Sept. 16, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Reportlinker.com announces the release of the report "Vehicle Electrification Market by Product, 48V, ICE, BEV, HEV, PHEV, Vehicle Type And Region - Global Forecast to 2025"
9% to reach USD 129.6 billion by 2025 from USD 73.7 billion. OEMs are switching from conventional technology to advanced technology for complying with the norms and increasing vehicle efficiency. There are multiple engine, transmission, and hybrid technologies that can help in improving the fuel efficiency of a vehicle. For instance, according to the US Department of Energy (US DOE), the start-stop system can improve fuel efficiency by up to 5%, based on driving and traffic conditions. Also, components such as electric oil pump and electric vacuum pump consume lesser energy than their conventional counterparts. However, higher cost of electric vehicles can undermine the demand for vehicle electrification.

The market for BEVs is estimated to witness the fastest growth in the vehicle electrification market
BEVs are projected to lead the vehicle electrification market, in terms of value, during the next 10 years.Automakers are seeing BEVs as a gateway to achieving fuel emission and economy standards set by governments.

Government tax incentives and state rebates have boosted the proliferation of BEVs.Asia Oceania and North America are the fastest growing regions for BEVs.

Increasing charging infrastructure in North America would be responsible for the shift from conventional ICE vehicles to BEVs.OEMs of this region have also invested significantly in vehicle electrification.

This would also drive the demand for BEVs.

The electric power steering (EPS) is estimated to be the largest segment of the vehicle electrification market
Electric Power Steering (EPS) systems are power-assisted steering products that eliminate the association between the steering system and the engine.EPS is the most popular steering system in the global market as it reduces fuel consumption and emissions, limits the required servicing, and improves maneuverability.

In Europe and North America, almost all vehicles have EPS, and in Asia Oceania, the trend is growing rapidly. Hence, the EPS segment is estimated to hold the largest market share during the forecast period.

Asia Oceania: the largest vehicle electrification market in the automotive industry
Asia Oceania is the leading vehicle electrification market as the region represents countries such as China, Japan, South Korea, and India, with the world’s highest vehicle production.The automobile industry is flourishing, especially in South Asia.

Additionally, Asia Oceania has created hubs for automobile manufacturers and automotive component suppliers.Considering the vehicle electrification market in the Asia Oceania region in 2019, the passenger car segment is estimated to lead the market, comprising more than 80% of the vehicle electrification market in the region, followed by the LCV segment, in terms of both volume and value.

As Asia Oceania has the largest share of passenger cars, ICE vehicles are expected to dominate the vehicle electrification market in Asia Oceania.Countries such as China and India have plans to upgrade their emission regulations by 2020.

For instance, India is planning to skip BS V regulations by leapfrogging to BS VI. This is a positive development for the vehicle electrification market. Additionally, the demand for more electric and electronic components in vehicles helps drive vehicle electrification.

BREAKDOWN OF PRIMARIES
The study contains insights provided by various industry experts, ranging from vehicle electrification OEMs to vehicle electrification component suppliers. The break-up of the primaries is as follows:
• By Company Type – Tier-I - 25%, Tier-II - 20% OEMs – 40%, and Others- 15%
• By Designation – C level - 40%, D level - 35%, and Others** - 25%
• By Region – North America - 35%, Europe - 35%, Asia Oceania - 25%, RoW-5%

Note: Others** include sales managers, product managers, and associations.
Tier 1 - System suppliers to OEMs, Tier 2 - component suppliers to Tier 1. OEMs are Vehicle Manufacturers Others are Industry experts and Independent consultants
The vehicle electrification market comprises major manufacturers such as Bosch (Germany), Continental (Germany), Denso (Japan), BorgWarner (US), and Mitsubishi Electric (Japan).

 

[trutolife27]

The Ford Kuga (sold as the Ford Escape in the U.S.) is having a banner year as well, and its plug-in hybrid (PHEV) variant has landed at number four on the country’s list of PHEV registrations in July 2020, signaling a promising performance and an even more encouraging future.


While it’s clear that EVs and PHEVs are in the minority, they are growing at rapid paces. In fact, fully-electric vehicles saw 182 percent growth year-over-year in July, while PHEVs saw a staggering 485 percent growth. That equates to 17,000 EV registrations and 19,000 PHEV registrations.

Indeed, the rising PHEV tide in Germany seems to have lifted all ships, with the Ford Kuga PHEV enjoying the benefit of the higher demand.

 

[Jolteon]

"We" have battery shortages? I doubt all manufacturers do. PHEV sales are growing like crazy in Europe because of government subsidies. When subsidies are removed from PHEVs (and they will be), we will see the era of the PHEV draw rapidly to a close.

 

[Jolteon]

Because they're downright *awful* vehicles.

I could save *thousands* and get a FHEV, which has zero compromises on the vehicle itself, is a better gas car, and is more efficient on gas, or I could spend basically the same and get a BEV, which is a better EV and is more efficient on electricity.

PHEVs are absolutely, unequivocally, the worst of both worlds.

They're garbage gas cars, because they drag around all the plug-in crap.
They're garbage EVs because they drag around all the ICE crap.
They're garbage hybrids because they're less efficient than a FHEV.

They're garbage.

They need to die. That's exactly what GM realized, when they killed the Volt and promised investors they have abandoned PHEVs in favor of BEVs.

I get why people want PHEVs - the subsidies make them cheaper than they should be. Also a PHEV is an easy way to show off that you're "eco" without ever really needing to EVER plug your PHEV in.

 

[cjljr41]

My wife has an Escape PHEV on order since the Spring. She wants better fuel economy and the higher tax credit, but has range anxiety and won't commit to a BEV. Maybe my Mach-e will change her mind.

 

[FredT]

I also used a PHEV as a step towards EV. Once you experience battery only drive, it's hard to go back. I think PHEV will be around for a long time. They certainly use battery resources far better than pure EV, which is Toyota's justification for pushing them over EV.

 

[JamieGeek]

Honestly the difference between a PHEV and a FHEV is very minimal (in fact the Ford C-Max and Fusion's were offered in both a FHEV and a PHEV). From an engineering standpoint it likely costs very little to go from one to the other.

All you need is a marginally larger battery and a charger for a PHEV. Since battery tech is getting better for BEVs its also getting better for PHEV's increasing their all electric range without increasing the volume taken by the battery.

Not going to argue if they are dead or not as it seems there are some firmly rooted opinions on that here...just pointing out that its a short distance from FHEV to PHEV...basically a plug.

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