Out of Spec: Kyle’s first long trip in the MME

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For the love of all mankind... can someone from Ford at least acknowledge they’re working on a fix?
The charging in this car is a complete disaster. The fast charging is extremely flaky, and some people can't even L2 charge in their homes. Other EVs to my knowledge do not have these issues. Ford has had plenty of time to fix these issues...if their testing teams even drove to a few EA chargers and tried to charge they should have noticed these issues.
 

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The charging in this car is a complete disaster. The fast charging is extremely flaky, and some people can't even L2 charge in their homes. Other EVs to my knowledge do not have these issues. Ford has had plenty of time to fix these issues...if their testing teams even drove to a few EA chargers and tried to charge they should have noticed these issues.
"complete disaster" is a complete overstatement.

Almost everybody is working fine with L2 except apparently some people in Illinois who seem to among other things be at overvoltage.

A lot of people have had success with EA at least somewhat, and even have had P&C work. To suggest nobody tried to do it when testing the car is just an insult to the people who made the car.

When did you get yours by the way? I mean, so you can speak to your first hand experience?
 


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"complete disaster" is a complete overstatement.

Almost everybody is working fine with L2 except apparently some people in Illinois who seem to among other things be at overvoltage.

A lot of people have had success with EA at least somewhat, and even have had P&C work. To suggest nobody tried to do it when testing the car is just an insult to the people who made the car.

When did you get yours by the way? I mean, so you can speak to your first hand experience?
Build date is May 21. "Success with EA at least somewhat" is by definition a disaster...the DC fast charging has to be flawless, because that is essential for the proper functioning of the vehicle when people are driving longer distances from their homes.
 

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If some of you also watch EV Dave, just remember he bought the car Kyle tested. Just trying to avoid people jumping to conclusions based on YouTube videos by two well known reviewers on the same physical car.

At first I was thinking EA was totally to blame for the MME's DC charging issues, but I'm wondering now seeing that other cars Kyle has tested on the same chargers charge well (VW ID4).

Could some owners on this forum report back on how the MME charges at EVGo and Chargepoint DC (not L2) chargers?

I know I know, what does a twice Tesla owner care... I'm an EV enthusiast first. I want all the manufacturers to succeed with their EVs. We'll need them all to transform to sustainable transportation.
 

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Build date is May 21. "Success with EA at least somewhat" is by definition a disaster...the DC fast charging has to be flawless, because that is essential for the proper functioning of the vehicle when people are driving longer distances from their homes.
since Tesla Supercharging isn't flawless after all these years ( Model 3 Owner Was Stuck At Tesla Supercharger For 15 Hours | Carscoops ), that feels like a very high bar.

don't misunderstand, I'd love everything to be 100%. But you're simply exaggerating at best here. "by definition a disaster" is just wrong.
 

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Build date is May 21. "Success with EA at least somewhat" is by definition a disaster...the DC fast charging has to be flawless, because that is essential for the proper functioning of the vehicle when people are driving longer distances from their homes.
This is so laughable I almost didn't respond. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING, is flawless.
If that is your expectation, the early adopter world is not for you.
 

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since Tesla Supercharging isn't flawless after all these years ( Model 3 Owner Was Stuck At Tesla Supercharger For 15 Hours | Carscoops ), that feels like a very high bar.

don't misunderstand, I'd love everything to be 100%. But you're simply exaggerating at best here. "by definition a disaster" is just wrong.
Totally agree, NOTHING is 100%.

I've charged a total of 314 supercharging sessions at 31 locations with my 2018 Model 3 (56,000+ miles) and had to switch to another stall maybe a total of ten of those charges due to either a dead stall or plastic dead bolts that came off another 2017-2018 early production Model 3. That's 3.14%.

My Model Y hasn't seen much roadtripping due to the pandemic, but I've supercharged it 11 times at 5 Locations. Never an issue of any kind, including charging at 0F (138kW charging speed at a V2 Supercharger (150kW max)).

Not once did I have to scramble and find some other location or charging network. Maybe that's what was meant by @malba2366.

Correct, never 100%, but never stranded or overly inconvenienced.
 
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Makes me glad I'm still months away from my GT getting started on production. Hopefully, they will have fixed the charging issues by then.
 

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If some of you also watch EV Dave, just remember he bought the car Kyle tested. Just trying to avoid people jumping to conclusions based on YouTube videos by two well known reviewers on the same physical car.

At first I was thinking EA was totally to blame for the MME's DC charging issues, but I'm wondering now seeing that other cars Kyle has tested on the same chargers charge well (VW ID4).

Could some owners on this forum report back on how the MME charges at EVGo and Chargepoint DC (not L2) chargers?

I know I know, what does a twice Tesla owner care... I'm an EV enthusiast first. I want all the manufacturers to succeed with their EVs. We'll need them all to transform to sustainable transportation.
EVGO and Chargepoint and Sema Connect are all super easy, but I use the apps and not plug and charge.

I did set up P&C after pulling into an Electrify America space just to try to get my free 250kw, and had some issues, but the EA app worked fine.

I understand the allure of plug and charge... But seriously it's not necessary at all. The respective charger company apps take like a minute or less.
 

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EVGO and Chargepoint and Sema Connect are all super easy, but I use the apps and not plug and charge.

I did set up P&C after pulling into an Electrify America space just to try to get my free 250kw, and had some issues, but the EA app worked fine.

I understand the allure of plug and charge... But seriously it's not necessary at all. The respective charger company apps take like a minute or less.
for sure it's fair to call out that P&C is where it should be yet - the ratio of failure to success is much too high. Part of me is hoping that when VW flips that switch on their cars that it will magically get better for us since EA might suddenly care.

but as many have said it's not that critical; you can even burn your free charging as long as you activate in FordPass (in other words not just by doing P&C)... pretty sure I remember @ChasingCoral said that Marlin burned his full allocation by using app activation in his Marlin megathread.

remember as gas stations you don't get "plug and charge" - you have to mess with the gas pump, sometimes twice (a membership card / tag / phone app, and/or a payment card/tag), to turn it on. so there really is no gas version of "plug and charge."

if Ford said "we are testing Plug and Charge but it's alpha" or something, I think everyone would be complaining less because expectation would have been set. or even said "we are testing it internally you don't have it yet". but there was an expectation set that hasn't been met.

the question is, how important is that missed expectation. Clearly different people have different opinions... owners on here that have driven their cars for thousands of miles already seem to be living without P&C since they know not to rely on it right now...

I really wish the reviewers - almost all of which are "professional" car reviewers - took a step back, said "okay Plug and Charge isn't reliable right now, I'll use the app from now on". instead it's just doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. :(
 

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The charging in this car is a complete disaster. The fast charging is extremely flaky, and some people can't even L2 charge in their homes. Other EVs to my knowledge do not have these issues. Ford has had plenty of time to fix these issues...if their testing teams even drove to a few EA chargers and tried to charge they should have noticed these issues.
I have absolutely zero complaints with mine, aside from the screen buzzing. Charging works fine for me.
 

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Build date is May 21. "Success with EA at least somewhat" is by definition a disaster...the DC fast charging has to be flawless, because that is essential for the proper functioning of the vehicle when people are driving longer distances from their homes.
Ahh, so you speak from absolutely no personal experience but yet we should take you as an expert it is a complete disaster? Got it.
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