Possibly Facing Eviction; Advice Needed

[Mach1E]

Buy MME for tax credit. 7500

Buy MME for fuel savings. 3500

Sell MME for 60k after a year. 0

Getting paid 11k to drive an EV for a year.

Doing this with my GT (although I'll have it more like 2 years)

Also doing it with my wife's MME.

Did it with my prior EV6. Bought it for 58k, sold for 59k, get the 7500 tax credit. Drove it for like 5 months and got paid to do so.

Sales tax credit is the only catch but I traded in well priced vehicles with a difference of only about 20k so 2k sales tax per car basically.

Definitely a good deal these last couple years.

But it’s also a unique situation that won’t be able to be repeated in the future.

My brother is also selling his Raptor for a profit after 2 years.

But none of that has to do with the point he was making. It was that of you’re buying it to save $$ on fuel, there are cheaper ways to do that.

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[mkhuffman]

Definitely a good deal these last couple years.

But it’s also a unique situation that won’t be able to be repeated in the future.

My brother is also selling his Raptor for a profit after 2 years.

But none of that has to do with the point he was making. It was that of you’re buying it to save $$ on fuel, there are cheaper ways to do that.

I agree. This is a very unusual car market. You can buy a new car, drive it for a year, and sell it for the same or more than what you paid for it. It cannot last, and is not normal.

Normally cars are not an investment. They depreciate. I guess the question is, will the MME depreciate more or less than a Toyota Corolla? I am not sure it matters, when a Corolla is a quarter of the cost to purchase.

 

[mkhuffman]

Buy MME for tax credit. 7500

Buy MME for fuel savings. 3500

Sell MME for 60k after a year. 0

Getting paid 11k to drive an EV for a year.

Doing this with my GT (although I'll have it more like 2 years)

Also doing it with my wife's MME.

Did it with my prior EV6. Bought it for 58k, sold for 59k, get the 7500 tax credit. Drove it for like 5 months and got paid to do so.

Sales tax credit is the only catch but I traded in well priced vehicles with a difference of only about 20k so 2k sales tax per car basically.

Did you include property taxes, sales tax and registration fees? I don't see those line items.

 

[Scooby24]

Did you include property taxes, sales tax and registration fees? I don't see those line items.

Sales tax I mentioned. Property and reg fees aren't much different than my other vehicles. Maybe 500 bucks.

Even if I took normal depreciation, like for like the EV is a savings over an ICE and I'm making money with it comparatively.

It's pretty nifty buying two EVs a year and getting 15k in tax credits.

 

[dbsb3233]

I agree with most of the others here that this was more contentious than it needed to be. But I won't add more to that. I'll just add a different angle... It's possible that since they don't intend for heavy usage, all the garages (or many of them) share a single 15A or 20A circuit. More than one EVSE in use, or even an EVSE plus a refrigerator or garage door opener might trip the breaker.

 

[mkhuffman]

Sales tax I mentioned. Property and reg fees aren't much different than my other vehicles. Maybe 500 bucks.

Even if I took normal depreciation, like for like the EV is a savings over an ICE and I'm making money with it comparatively.

It's pretty nifty buying two EVs a year and getting 15k in tax credits.

In Virginia we have an excessive registration fee for highly fuel efficient cars, which is especially high for BEVs, to make up for the lack of gas taxes being paid. It really pisses me off, and you have to pay it every year.

 

[Scooby24]

In Virginia we have an excessive registration fee for highly fuel efficient cars, which is especially high for BEVs, to make up for the lack of gas taxes being paid. It really pisses me off, and you have to pay it every year.

We are supposed to be doing that in Kansas as well but it's only 100 a year..oddly enough though I haven't seen that line item on my registration. Maybe it's hidden in there.

I kinda get it though. Lots of taxes in fuel we aren't paying.

 

[minders]

In Virginia we have an excessive registration fee for highly fuel efficient cars, which is especially high for BEVs, to make up for the lack of gas taxes being paid. It really pisses me off, and you have to pay it every year.

We have it in GA, too. Close to $300 a year for plate fees/registration/etc by the time you're all in and you still have to pay the fees if you don't take the special plate. At least with the leaf (alternative fuel vehicle) plate, we get to use some of the toll roads for "free." It's a great deal if you live or work in Atlanta proper where they're all located and used the toll roads already, not so great if you're outside of the areas with those roads. For comparison, it was $21 a year for plate/reg/etc on the BMW X1 ICE I was leasing beforehand.

Back to the thread. Before we purchased our current house, we were renting while it was being built and I was assigned a special parking space in the garage where they had set up chargers in a few spaces. It was "included" in the monthly rent and I could call the concierge to have anyone else that parked in "my" assigned spot towed if I wanted. Luckily I was one of the very few EVs (BMW i3 before my X1 ICE) and never had to fight for "my" assigned spot. They also had one public/general use charger that was on a first come first serve basis away from the assigned spots. I feel like this was a fair set up even though the apartment was a rip off at $2,400 a month.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

Y'all seem to not have noticed that you lost the OP like four pages ago! ?

 

[tannerk89]

We have it in GA, too. Close to $300 a year for plate fees/registration/etc by the time you're all in and you still have to pay the fees if you don't take the special plate. At least with the leaf (alternative fuel vehicle) plate, we get to use some of the toll roads for "free." It's a great deal if you live or work in Atlanta proper where they're all located and used the toll roads already, not so great if you're outside of the areas with those roads. For comparison, it was $21 a year for plate/reg/etc on the BMW X1 ICE I was leasing beforehand.

VA is more like 1,800-2,400 for the Highway Use Fee for an EV… $300 would be amazing.

 

[dbsb3233]

VA is more like 1,800-2,400 for the Highway Use Fee for an EV… $300 would be amazing.

What?? I see $116.49 when I look it up. Unless you're counting all the other parts of the annual registration that apply to ICE vehicles too.

 

[SightUp]

Y'all seem to not have noticed that you lost the OP like four pages ago! ?

I just generally check this at work and when I am home, before bed. I am still soaking it all in.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

I just generally check this at work and when I am home, before bed. I am still soaking it all in.

FWIW, I can imagine your frustration with this situation. It sucks to have been told one thing by previous management and another by the current bunch. (It happened to my wife and me with a rental place and created a big hassle when we moved out.) That said, since I understand you plan to leave this building soon (once your VA loan is approved), may I suggest that you discuss with the current building management if there are other options (along the lines of what was suggested by others)...? I suspect they'll want to find a solution. Good luck! And thank you for your service.

 

[tannerk89]

What?? I see $116.49 when I look it up. Unless you're counting all the other parts of the annual registration that apply to ICE vehicles too.

I’ll have to look back at what the high BEV tax was actually called. It’s a unique tax for clean vehicles. My fusion PHEV was an extra 400 over my ICE Nissan frontier for example.

 

[troublebot]

OP if you're still even monitoring this thread...

Chances are the management has no idea how much energy an EV takes to charge. It's not much, especially with how much you drive. You have Fordpass, it has charging logs so you can see how much you actually have used historically, or get an outlet meter to figure out how much you use on a month-to-month basis. They probably think it's a lot more than it really is, hence their stance on it. If you cool your head and lay out the numbers, they'll likely just ask you to cover the real cost, or they might realize it's low enough and say "oh, nevermind, lets not worry about $15 a month."

Don't let them propose a number, you tell them what it costs, and work from there.

The lease is pretty clear, "Garage or carport may be used only for storage of operable motor vehicles unless otherwise stated in our rules or community policies." Charging a car is not simply storage of a motor vehicle, you're using a non-trivial amount of electricity that you're not paying for; the other tenants are. My old apartment building had outdoor outlets that were for maintenance use and weren't tied to units' meters, people had to be told not to use them all the time.

Based on your emails and your responses to this thread, you're not looking for an actual solution, you're looking for a fight. I doubt they're going to evict you, but maybe you'll be better off moving the minute your lease is up, or maybe you can use this issue to get them to agree to a non-penalty lease break and move early. This complex doesn't seem like a good fit for you.

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