Power Up 6.6.0

[shark]

That is the LVB soc. Undoubtedly it was intended to be the hvb charge but currently it’s the 12v state of charge.

What a weird situation that it only shows up on this page, but for me it shows my other vehicle and I cannot change which vehicle it displays. It seem it displays the first vehicle on your account, sorted by VIN alphabetically. I guess I will have to try to read this from an OBDII scanner. I tried it with my OBDLink MX+ but I could not find a value for 12V battery SOC, only a Voltage reading.

Update: OK I was finally able to see this on the webpage. I was using my PC which only shows the first vehicle in my account, which is not the Mach-E. On the mobile version, it lets me swipe-left to view the Mach-E so now I can finally see the 12V SOC, at least until they fix the bug. I would still like to know how to view it with my OBDII scanner. I tried the OBDLink software and the Carscanner app and I can't find the SOC as a % anywhere, only the Voltage.

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[thenew3]

What a weird situation that it only shows up on this page, but for me it shows my other vehicle and I cannot change which vehicle it displays. It seem it displays the first vehicle on your account, sorted by VIN alphabetically. I guess I will have to try to read this from an OBDII scanner. I tried it with my OBDLink MX+ but I could not find a value for 12V battery SOC, only a Voltage reading.

Update: OK I was finally able to see this on the webpage. I was using my PC which only shows the first vehicle in my account, which is not the Mach-E. On the mobile version, it lets me swipe-left to view the Mach-E so now I can finally see the 12V SOC, at least until they fix the bug. I would still like to know how to view it with my OBDII scanner. I tried the OBDLink software and the Carscanner app and I can't find the SOC as a % anywhere, only the Voltage.

When I use the carscanner app, when I choose dashboard, the first page shows 12v SOC on the bottom row right next to the 12v voltage value.
I assume it's accurate as that's the same value that shows up on the ford site.
My 12v varies wildly. I can shut the car off at 5pm parked in the driveway with a 12v SOC of 93% then the next morning at 8am it will show it's down to anywhere from 60-73%. a 20-27% drop overnight just sitting there. A 20-30 minute commute in the morning brings it back to the low 80's, then it sits there in the parking lot for the whole day, and when I get in it in the afternoon it's usually upper 70's to low 80's (very little drop from the morning) and then another 20-30 minute commute and it's back up to low 90's by the time I get home.

 

[Gullwingdmc]

Any GT owners in cold weather notice a lot of jail bars sticking around for a day or two after this update? It’s happened to me 3 weeks in a row, always after parking outside in the cold. I’ll drive around all day and the bars don’t budge at all. After 2 days the will magically disappear all at once.

 

[Mach-Lee]

When I use the carscanner app, when I choose dashboard, the first page shows 12v SOC on the bottom row right next to the 12v voltage value.
I assume it's accurate as that's the same value that shows up on the ford site.
My 12v varies wildly. I can shut the car off at 5pm parked in the driveway with a 12v SOC of 93% then the next morning at 8am it will show it's down to anywhere from 60-73%. a 20-27% drop overnight just sitting there. A 20-30 minute commute in the morning brings it back to the low 80's, then it sits there in the parking lot for the whole day, and when I get in it in the afternoon it's usually upper 70's to low 80's (very little drop from the morning) and then another 20-30 minute commute and it's back up to low 90's by the time I get home.

Car is probably getting woken up at home from key fobs nearby. That's why the drain at home is much bigger than when parked at work. Move key fobs 25' away from the vehicle at home, and quit FordPass at home.

Failing to disconnect in CarScanner can also keep the car awake and drain the battery FYI. So make extra sure you disconnect and/or unplug your OBDII reader when parking so it doesn't cause a drain.

Any GT owners in cold weather notice a lot of jail bars sticking around for a day or two after this update? It’s happened to me 3 weeks in a row, always after parking outside in the cold. I’ll drive around all day and the bars don’t budge at all. After 2 days the will magically disappear all at once.

I think that's normal with cold temps, and it probably goes away after you charge because the battery gets heated up. Since you're parking outside, make sure you plug in every night, and set a morning departure time on work days.

 

[Gullwingdmc]

Car is probably getting woken up at home from key fobs nearby. That's why the drain at home is much bigger than when parked at work. Move key fobs 25' away from the vehicle at home, and quit FordPass at home.

Failing to disconnect in CarScanner can also keep the car awake and drain the battery FYI. So make extra sure you disconnect and/or unplug your OBDII reader when parking so it doesn't cause a drain.



I think that's normal with cold temps, and it probably goes away after you charge because the battery gets heated up. Since you're parking outside, make sure you plug in every night, and set a morning departure time on work days.

Unfortunately it’s not normal. I had this car last winter and it never did this. The behavior didn’t start until recently. No matter how warm the battery gets the bars don’t budge. Normal behavior is the bars are there and as the battery warms they gradually go away. With this issue they stay at the same level for 1-2 days through long drives and multiple key cycles. The all of a sudden they all go away at once. It’s like it’s stuck and then something un-sticks it.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Unfortunately it’s not normal. I had this car last winter and it never did this. The behavior didn’t start until recently. No matter how warm the battery gets the bars don’t budge. Normal behavior is the bars are there and as the battery warms they gradually go away. With this issue they stay at the same level for 1-2 days through long drives and multiple key cycles. The all of a sudden they all go away at once. It’s like it’s stuck and then something un-sticks it.

FYI the battery doesn't heat up from driving, not sure if you knew that. So cold bars would stay put even if you drove it an hour.

What event precedes the bars going away? Charging?

 

[Gullwingdmc]

FYI the battery doesn't heat up from driving, not sure if you knew that. So cold bars would stay put even if you drove it an hour.

What event precedes the bars going away? Charging?

I know driving doesn’t heat the battery up, but while the car is on it warms the pack.

The only thing that clears the bars is time. Nothing else.

 

[Mach-Lee]

I know driving doesn’t heat the battery up, but while the car is on it warms the pack.

Not quite, pack only heats if plugged in or if you select a DC charger in the Nav and are close to it. If you leave the car on and unplugged, battery does not heat.

Not sure what's going on with your car or why it's different than last year. But if you park outside unplugged and it's below about 40ºF at night, you are going to see cold bars that remain until the car is plugged in again. That's the expected behavior.

 

[Gullwingdmc]

Not quite, pack only heats if plugged in or if you select a DC charger in the Nav and are close to it. If you leave the car on and unplugged, battery does not heat.

Not sure what's going on with your car or why it's different than last year. But if you park outside unplugged and it's below about 40ºF at night, you are going to see cold bars that remain until the car is plugged in again. That's the expected behavior.

I don’t believe that’s correct. If it was why is the external temp section always using up so much battery when it’s cold?

I know my car, I know it’s normal behavior. When it’s cold and I start driving the bars slowly go away. That is the way it has operated for the last year and 18k miles. It has never taken a plug in to clear them and even in this case it will clear when out on a drive, but all of them at once. It goes from 11 down to the normal 3 or 4 in a second. That is only after them being stuck for more than a day.

This is something that just started in the last month. Since 6.6.0 had a BECM update I believe it might be the cause.

What do the jail bars do on your car after you’ve parked it overnight in the cold?

 

[Mach-Lee]

I don’t believe that’s correct. If it was why is the external temp section always using up so much battery when it’s cold?

I know my car, I know it’s normal behavior. When it’s cold and I start driving the bars slowly go away. That is the way it has operated for the last year and 18k miles. It has never taken a plug in to clear them and even in this case it will clear when out on a drive, but all of them at once. It goes from 11 down to the normal 3 or 4 in a second. That is only after them being stuck for more than a day.

This is something that just started in the last month. Since 6.6.0 had a BECM update I believe it might be the cause.

What do the jail bars do on your car after you’ve parked it overnight in the cold?

The external temp on the energy display is only an estimate of the battery capacity loss due to external temperature. It's not actually a measurement. The actual amount of energy used for battery heating shows up under the HVAC category.

I'm not sure what your battery temp is, but if I assume it's about 38ºF then I would expect about 4 jail bars at that temp. If the battery is closer to 20ºF, then I would expect like 10 bars?

So you are saying you're driving a constant speed and the bars suddenly update from 11 to 4? And do they reset back to 11 at the next key cycle? Or only after the pack has been sitting outside for hours? There is a slight amount of heating that happens from regenerative braking, so you may notice the bars decrease after a big slowdown like getting off the interstate.

I don't have a GT so I don't have bars that show up (GT only).

I think you should try to eliminate the cold as a factor by plugging in and running a departure time, and then see if you still get the 11 bars or not. These cars do not like the cold and limit power if the battery is not warmed up prior to leaving.

 

[Gullwingdmc]

I'm not sure what your battery temp is, but if I assume it's about 38ºF then I would expect about 4 jail bars at that temp. If the battery is closer to 20ºF, then I would expect like 10 bars?

That is how it used to behave. In the past month it’s been around 35-40 out and I’ll get 11 jails bars consistently after parking outside. No more, no less.

So you are saying you're driving a constant speed and the bars suddenly update from 11 to 4? And do they reset back to 11 at the next key cycle? Or only after the pack has been sitting outside for hours? There is a slight amount of heating that happens from regenerative braking, so you may notice the bars decrease slightly after a big slowdown like getting off the interstate.

Driving, or even just sitting parked with the car on. They will magically disappear and go down to their normal level for that temp. This will only happen after a certain amount of time though, usually a day or two. They do not reset back after a key cycle. Once it’s back to normal it stays normal. My pattern for the last 3-4 weeks has been, park outside Wednesday into Thursday, all day Thursday I'm in jail, doesn’t matter the outside temp (30s-low 50s). Park outside overnight Thursday into Friday, wake up to same jail bars, then at some point on Friday they clear and go back to normal. No charging happens until Friday night.

I don't have a GT so I don't have bars that show up.

If you don’t have them then how do you know how they normally work? I look at them every day and I can tell when my batteries cold, when it’s warmed up, when it’s going to fast, when the battery is too low, all by the number of of bars I see.

I think you should try to eliminate the cold as a factor by plugging in and running a departure time, and then see if you still get the 11 bars or not. These cars do not like the cold and limit power if the battery is not warmed up prior to leaving.

The next time it happens I will try a departure time to see if it clears it, but there is clearly something wrong here. The jails bars don’t just disappear for no reason.
I’ve had this car for a year and another Mach-E before it. I know how it behaves in the winter. The bars are there when you start it in the cold, then they gradually go away as it warms up. It has never done this before. This behavior started at the beginning of December, around when this update came out.

 

[Neil4Real]

Not quite, pack only heats if plugged in or if you select a DC charger in the Nav and are close to it. If you leave the car on and unplugged, battery does not heat.

Not sure what's going on with your car or why it's different than last year. But if you park outside unplugged and it's below about 40ºF at night, you are going to see cold bars that remain until the car is plugged in again. That's the expected behavior.

Wait, really? The pack doesn't heat at all when driving? Or just sitting with the car on? Wow, I had no idea. I thought it would slowly heat or cool as needed while driving!

 

[Mach-Lee]

Wait, really? The pack doesn't heat at all when driving? Or just sitting with the car on? Wow, I had no idea. I thought it would slowly heat or cool as needed while driving!

No, doesn’t heat unless you are navigating to a DC charger. That’s why it’s important to keep the car plugged in as much as possible in the cold.

 

[GrayWolf]

It is interesting to me that 6.6.0 + the latest Voldemort update seems to be the stopping point for my car, lately. Makes me wonder if problems were discovered with 6.7.0 and greater that made the team stop pushing updates? Not a big deal, really. Just surprised me that they went on a roll with pushing my car up to this build and then...nothing more. (Yes, I am in the EA and I double-checked that my car is still registered for it.)

 

[Mach-Lee]

It is interesting to me that 6.6.0 + the latest Voldemort update seems to be the stopping point for my car, lately. Makes me wonder if problems were discovered with 6.7.0 and greater that made the team stop pushing updates? Not a big deal, really. Just surprised me that they went on a roll with pushing my car up to this build and then...nothing more. (Yes, I am in the EA and I double-checked that my car is still registered for it.)

Engineers are on vacation for another week. I wouldn’t expect any new updates in the interim.

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