Really Great Farley interview on EVs

[MrLoganRoss]

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[milepost1]

Good interview. I don’t like the political pandering. I see what he’s trying to do here, and I agree we need smaller vehicles, but I don’t agree with him throwing under the bus people like me who are trying to keep the world from burning. My EV is one part of my household going net zero and we don’t care That you want. “choices”

That could be some of resistance to EVs. Americans especially do not want "choices" taken away. Choices could come down to what size EV you must buy, speed limited, OEM etc. The biggest resistance to EVs is it is being mandated.

 

[dbsb3233]

Good interview. I don’t like the political pandering. I see what he’s trying to do here, and I agree we need smaller vehicles, but I don’t agree with him throwing under the bus people like me who are trying to keep the world from burning. My EV is one part of my household going net zero and we don’t care That you want. “choices”

He wasn't throwing you under the bus. What he's saying is that kind of divisiveness is hurting EV acceptance, and getting in the way of more people realizing the positive aspects of owning and driving an EV.

There's an old saying, "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Your comments suggest the vinegar approach, which has created backlash. And is thus counterproductive.

 

[phil]

...we don’t care That you want. “choices”

 

[thekat03]

Good interview. I don’t like the political pandering. I see what he’s trying to do here, and I agree we need smaller vehicles, but I don’t agree with him throwing under the bus people like me who are trying to keep the world from burning. My EV is one part of my household going net zero and we don’t care That you want. “choices”

I didn't view it as throwing those of us who are pushing EVs and green energy because of climate change under the bus. We are all on the electric bus already. It's everyone else that he is trying to get out from in front of the bus. I don't care how we get emmisions down. Replacing a massive gas guzzler with a hybrid is going to still help a lot. We need to reduce our emissions as much as possible, but not everyone can do so immediately. At least Farley sees that the future is electric, while some car manufacturers still have their heads buried in the sand.

 

[Sikkun]

Real answer is there won’t realistically be choices on new vehicles after they have spent the money to get cost down, and build up the manufacturing.

No one is going to come or your house and steal your ICE. In fact the used market for ICE will be around for decades. (Hell people are still playing with Model T’s).

What most likely will happen eventually you’ll go to the store and buy an EV, because an EV will be all that’s for sale.

 

[jbooth]

The rich, rich irony of his "evs should be mandated to have bi-directional charging" on the Mustang forum is great.

A lot of the rest.. not a huge fan. Very much talking out both sides of his mouth. We need v2l and it'll stabilize the grid but we also need to have autonomous to enable not owning a car -- so the v2l isn't so important I guess?

 

[AhardFSU]

The rich, rich irony of his "evs should be mandated to have bi-directional charging" on the Mustang forum is great.

A lot of the rest.. not a huge fan. Very much talking out both sides of his mouth. We need v2l and it'll stabilize the grid but we also need to have autonomous to enable not owning a car -- so the v2l isn't so important I guess?

Yeah I didn't watch the video but it appears that Jim was trying to cover all the bases. My problem with Jim and Ford is that they've been wildly inconsistent over the past year bc they're trying to chase attaboys from stock analysts.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Good interview. I don’t like the political pandering. I see what he’s trying to do here, and I agree we need smaller vehicles, but I don’t agree with him throwing under the bus people like me who are trying to keep the world from burning. My EV is one part of my household going net zero and we don’t care That you want. “choices”

I agree. I bought this car for $58K when I could have easily bought a used BMW X3 or Audi SUV or something like that for less specifically because it was cleaner to drive. Given the latest climate reports, I definitely don't regret my decision. Does my single BEV solve the problem? Of course not but it is still one less contributor to the problem. Period.

However, I make a healthy salary (above the median household income for my state) and I have a garage and I drive an average of 43-44 per day. I'm completely aware my circumstances are not everyone's. Thus I won't shame ICE buyers (even if their slow ass, smelly acceleration annoys the hell out of me ).

 

[Shepherd]

I agree. I bought this car for $58K when I could have easily bought a used BMW X3 or Audi SUV or something like that for less specifically because it was cleaner to drive. Given the latest climate reports, I definitely don't regret my decision. Does my single BEV solve the problem? Of course not but it is still one less contributor to the problem. Period.

However, I make a healthy salary (above the median household income for my state) and I have a garage and I drive an average of 43-44 per day. I'm completely aware my circumstances are not everyone's. Thus I won't shame ICE buyers (even if their slow ass, smelly acceleration annoys the hell out of me ).

Very good points. I'm in a similar situation. I have the relative luxury of being able to make the choice of buying a BEV when others don't have the same privilege.

That also gives me the perspective to recognize Farley's (and many others') both-sides-ism argument, when it's clear there are no two sides to this existential crisis of anthropogenic climate change.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

That also gives me the perspective to recognize Farley's (and many others') both-sides-ism argument, when it's clear there are no two sides to this existential crisis of anthropogenic climate change.

Right. Not like we get to pick Planet A or Planet B to live on. And it is not like you can argue your politics with a flood, wildfire or hurricane. Probably not a coincidence human and hubris are such similar words.

 

[Mach Len E]

It’s a good interview except after finding out the Mach E does not support V2L unless that was changed for 2023.5 … I kept my old camping 3 kW generator in case my single wire distribution, single phase service goes down.

 

[Dear_OP]

Farley makes a compelling narrative. Sounds like a cool car guy as far as automotive CEO goes.

Smaller vehicles? Just a few minutes earlier he was lauding the F150 has the best selling vehicle in US. Farley even said he drives the pickup to office. Does he haul lumber or dead ducks to Ford HQ daily? He contradicts himself unfortunately. I am all for sensible small cars to suit use cases. But this is USA. It's an arms race when it comes to vehicle size.

Choices? Great idea. Then US just drop the tariff on the Chinese EV makers. Give people their choices. Innovate with good strong products to compete period. Folks will vote with their wallet.

Farley seems to give a lot of credit to Elon Musk.

 

[Mach1E]

Very good points. I'm in a similar situation. I have the relative luxury of being able to make the choice of buying a BEV when others don't have the same privilege.

That also gives me the perspective to recognize Farley's (and many others') both-sides-ism argument, when it's clear there are no two sides to this existential crisis of anthropogenic climate change.

I feel like your argument would hold more merit if you rode a bicycle or walked everywhere vs bought a brand new electric car.

It’s like you are shaming people for eating an unhealthy double quarter pounder with cheese for dinner…… while you munch on your single quarter pounder with cheese.

Hypocritically pointing fingers at other people and yelling that the sky is falling will NOT do much to convince people on the “other side” of the argument.

 

[dbsb3233]

Farley makes a compelling narrative. Sounds like a cool car guy as far as automotive CEO goes.

Smaller vehicles? Just a few minutes earlier he was lauding the F150 has the best selling vehicle in US. Farley even said he drives the pickup to office. Does he haul lumber or dead ducks to Ford HQ daily? He contradicts himself unfortunately. I am all for sensible small cars to suit use cases. But this is USA. It's an arms race when it comes to vehicle size.

Choices? Great idea. Then US just drop the tariff on the Chinese EV makers. Give people their choices. Innovate with good strong products to compete period. Folks will vote with their wallet.

Farley seems to give a lot of credit to Elon Musk.

Gotta read between the lines. It's not that he thinks the North American market doesn't favor larger vehicles. It does, and he's fully aware of that. It's that they simply can't make a BEV turn a profit if it has lots of wildly expensive batteries in it (and if you can't qualify for the $7500 tax credit). And if you can't put a lot of batteries in it, that equates to small BEVs with modest range. Which probably won't sell here very well, but will at least cover them enough to get by the federal mandates and fines.

Now, if a 125 kWh pack only cost them like $5000, sure, you'd see them planning Explorer-size BEVs and Edge-size BEVs and Expedition-size BEVs. But they can't (not without losing big $$ on them like they are on the Lightning and Mach-E).

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