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Hi, the dealership just emailed me this was a recall, should I worry? And what should I do. Is there a fix for it yet? How bad is it?? Any info is appreciated! Thank you

 

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Hi, the dealership just emailed me this was a recall, should I worry? And what should I do. Is there a fix for it yet? How bad is it?? Any info is appreciated! Thank you
The recall will involve software update for vehicles of a certain VIN that have not had drive fault dashboard messages as a result of the contact issue but if there is power surging may damage the contacts and make the car undrivable. If the contacts are damaged the car cannot be driven and battery needs replacement. The software update can be done over the air but dealers will be able to do it when they have the instructions released and software available to them. It is a preventable and fixable issue. As of 6/16/22 the dealers are notified of the recall but are not yet doing it. There are no battery fires reported relating to this In the recall release.
 


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The recall will involve software update for vehicles of a certain VIN that have not had drive fault dashboard messages as a result of the contact issue but if there is power surging may damage the contacts and make the car undrivable. If the contacts are damaged the car cannot be driven and battery needs replacement. The software update can be done over the air but dealers will be able to do it when they have the instructions released and software available to them. It is a preventable and fixable issue. As of 6/16/22 the dealers are notified of the recall but are not yet doing it. There are no battery fires reported relating to this In the recal

The recall will involve software update for vehicles of a certain VIN that have not had drive fault dashboard messages as a result of the contact issue but if there is power surging may damage the contacts and make the car undrivable. If the contacts are damaged the car cannot be driven and battery needs replacement. The software update can be done over the air but dealers will be able to do it when they have the instructions released and software available to them. It is a preventable and fixable issue. As of 6/16/22 the dealers are notified of the recall but
The recall will involve software update for vehicles of a certain VIN that have not had drive fault dashboard messages as a result of the contact issue but if there is power surging may damage the contacts and make the car undrivable. If the contacts are damaged the car cannot be driven and battery needs replacement. The software update can be done over the air but dealers will be able to do it when they have the instructions released and software available to them. It is a preventable and fixable issue. As of 6/16/22 the dealers are notified of the recall but are not yet doing it. There are no battery fires reported relating to this In the recall release.
Thank you so much for this info! So basically I don’t have to do anything at this point, and just wait for either a notification from my vehicle computer, or a notification phone call or some thing from the dealership to fix the issue? Also, will any Ford dealership be able to fix the recall, or do I have to drive back to the original dealership where I purchased the car?
 

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...should I worry? And what should I do. Is there a fix for it yet? How bad is it?? Any info is appreciated! Thank you
Should I be worried? Not if you don't care about performance

What should I do? Nothing

Is there a fix for it yet? No. There is a software update that is suppose to protect a poorly engineered part. Is does not "fix" the problem part, it exposes it to less harm.

How bad is it? Depends on who you are and what you intended use for the vehicle is/will be. This is just a band-aid for most. Expect vehicles to brick after the recall is performed, but just not at the same frequency and recency. This is a hail mary by Ford to try to fix a problem with a substandard part. This is my own opinion, but I suspect Ford has tried to thread the needle between people losing their shit (due to loss of performance) and an acceptable failure rate. IMO, this strategy will fail miserably although it might take 12 months for us to really know.

For more info, see other threads and report back in a week. Also let your family know that you will be busy 24/7 for the next week catching up! Good luck!
 

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Thank you so much for this info! So basically I don’t have to do anything at this point, and just wait for either a notification from my vehicle computer, or a notification phone call or some thing from the dealership to fix the issue? Also, will any Ford dealership be able to fix the recall, or do I have to drive back to the original dealership where I purchased the car?
You will get a letter from Ford. At that point an EV certified dealer can do the update if it hasn’t been pushed to your car over the air(OTA). The the FordPass app will also be a source of information. In the meantime, don’t drag race excessively 😉, drive under 100 mph, and keep the car plugged in when possible in the heat so the cooling system can work as designed.
 

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Should I be worried? Not if you don't care about performance

What should I do? Nothing

Is there a fix for it yet? No. There is a software update that is suppose to protect a poorly engineered part. Is does not "fix" the problem part, it exposes it to less harm.

How bad is it? Depends on who you are and what you intended use for the vehicle is/will be. This is just a band-aid for most. Expect vehicles to brick after the recall is performed, but just not at the same frequency and recency. This is a hail mary by Ford to try to fix a problem with a substandard part. This is my own opinion, but I suspect Ford has tried to thread the needle between people losing their shit (due to loss of performance) and an acceptable failure rate. IMO, this strategy will fail miserably although it might take 12 months for us to really know.

For more info, see other threads and report back in a week. Also let your family know that you will be busy 24/7 for the next week catching up! Good luck!
Is it a substandard part or new technology with challenging engineering, and a steep learning curve for materials, load demand, and application. In ICE cars, push rods still get thrown when demand exceeds part durabilty and they have been around for decades.
 

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Is it a substandard part or new technology with challenging engineering, and a steep learning curve for materials, load demand, and application. In ICE cars, push rods still get thrown when demand exceeds part durabilty and they have been around for decades.
To answer your question, It is a substandard part. I don't think your example is relevant. First, pretty much any new car is computer controlled NOT to exceed the limits of the part, so if a part fails, it is either a defect, lack of maintenance, abuse or normal wear and tear. Push rods do not get "thrown" under any other circumstance.

The MME is a heavily parametrized vehicle. There is no "demand exceeds" scenario here. The 5 sec limit for example, or the top end speed, or the charge curve. All heavily controlled. So, the part cannot handle the upper limits of the vehicle's operating parameters. What is one to do? There are only two options:

1) make a better part and replace the bad one
2) change the operating parameters to reduce the upper limits of the operating parameters

Ford has chosen option 2. As I have said many times already, Ford is threading a needle between people losing their shit (due to loss of performance) and an acceptable part failure rate. Based on my extensive experience, I suggest that this gamble (and that is what it is) will not end well for Ford or MME owners who enjoy a spirited vehicle or long road trips.

I hope I am WRONG. I really, really do. I hope I am eating crow on this one. But, I doubt it.
 

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Any performance loss on my car and I will sue for a refund of extra cost payed out for it.
maybe add to that the loss of car value because of the performance loss.

they don’t even know if this fix works on the car! no hurry to jump on this until it’s tried and true, regardless of the PR.
 

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they don’t even know if this fix works on the car! no hurry to jump on this until it’s tried and true, regardless of the PR.
Maybe I should've waited on the windshield recall, too. Who knows if the poorly adhered windshield was ever going to be involved in any accidents. Seems best to have ignored the notice and continued on with needless risk, right?
 

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The recall will involve software update for vehicles of a certain VIN that have not had drive fault dashboard messages as a result of the contact issue but if there is power surging may damage the contacts and make the car undrivable. If the contacts are damaged the car cannot be driven and battery needs replacement. The software update can be done over the air but dealers will be able to do it when they have the instructions released and software available to them. It is a preventable and fixable issue. As of 6/16/22 the dealers are notified of the recall but are not yet doing it. There are no battery fires reported relating to this In the recall release.
Nice to hear that it is "preventable and fixable" but are we going to lose capabilities such as quickness or speed? If only a software fix will this mean that max power will somehow be limited even more? I own a GT PE.
 

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Nice to hear that it is "preventable and fixable" but are we going to lose capabilities such as quickness or speed? If only a software fix will this mean that max power will somehow be limited even more? I own a GT PE.
No one really knows for sure, but that is the worry.
 

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Is it a substandard part or new technology with challenging engineering, and a steep learning curve for materials, load demand, and application. In ICE cars, push rods still get thrown when demand exceeds part durabilty and they have been around for decades.
This isn't really new technology. High voltage disconnects (which is what this is) have been used for a long time (100+years). Materials, design, etc. have been refined since then, but the base technology is not new. Functionally, this part is just a heavy duty light switch.

 

 
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