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You said fracking is in decline. I gave you the reason. If gas and oil prices increased do you not think that fracking would increase?
I neither asked you to explain it to me nor did I not already know that. Being pedantic to avoid the valid point I made is merely a deflection. You are merely arguing for the sake of arguing, and I have better things to do with my life.

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Clearly renewables require a solution to load leveling and peak demand that hasn't been worked out yet,

^ key phrase

What this means is that you cannot simply compare the "cost" of renewables to fossil fueled energy. The reason is because fossil fueled energy is nearly 100% reliable, whereas renewable energy is dramatically less reliable.
 

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Why do you think China is building so many solar installs, wind installs, high speed electric train installs...leads the world in all categories.

China has more high speed (as in mag lev trains on many routes) than rest of the word combined.

US looks like 3rd world.

To lower emissions.

Next question.
 

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Please provide the details of the search. Thank you.

I tried several searches. I couldn't find an article that gave a very good description of the cause of the energy issues.

Since you know where these articles are, just give me one of them.
 

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Please provide the details of the search. Thank you.
This is what I found.

"Though some analyses have blamed California’s use of unreliable wind and solar power for the grid shortage, Randolph insisted that clean energy is not the problem. Regulators have long been aware that they cannot fully rely on wind and solar power to meet peak demand in the evening hours, he said."
 

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I neither asked you to explain it to me nor did I not already know that. Being pedantic to avoid the valid point I made is merely a deflection. You are merely arguing for the sake of arguing, and I have better things to do with my life.

goodbye
Wow.
 

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To lower emissions.
Half right, to increase electrical output.

"China’s plan to cut coal and boost green growth Innovations in energy-storage technology are a mainstay of the nation’s bid to reduce its reliance on fossil fuels."
 

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Half right, to increase electrical output.

"China’s plan to cut coal and boost green growth Innovations in energy-storage technology are a mainstay of the nation’s bid to reduce its reliance on fossil fuels."
If coal is objectively more expensive than renewables, then why are they building coal? Building of renewables can be explained by the desire to lower emissions. Can you give me an explanation for building coal plants instead of exclusively renewables?
 

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And here lies another thread. Reincarnated as something completely different from the original topic.
 

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If coal is objectively more expensive than renewables, then why are they building coal? Building of renewables can be explained by the desire to lower emissions. Can you give me an explanation for building coal plants instead of exclusively renewables?
My guess is coal was selected due to combination of initial cost and overall reliability.
 

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And here lies another thread. Reincarnated as something completely different from the original topic.
I don’t think it died. Kind of more like the walking dead than reincarnation.
 

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If coal is objectively more expensive than renewables, then why are they building coal?"
Coal is cheaper for China but....

"In addition to roughly 1,000 gigawatts of existing coal capacity, China has 121 gigawatts of coal plants under construction, which is more than is being built in the rest of the world combined. But here’s the weird thing—more than half the time, China’s coal plants are just sitting around collecting dust. If China already has more coal power than it needs, why does it keep building new plants?"

"Local governments were under enormous political pressure to increase the economic productivity in their region and saw new coal plants as a great shortcut. China’s energy policies from the '80s and '90s basically guaranteed new coal plants would turn a profit, so local officials were incentivized to approve as many new coal plants in their region as possible—and that’s exactly what they did. The following year, the capacity of newly approved coal plants in China tripled."

"It didn’t take the federal government long to realize its mistake. In 2016, it rolled back the rules that threw coal plant construction into overdrive and delayed or canceled dozens of approved plants. But as Shearer and her colleagues at Global Energy Monitor found by analyzing permits and satellite images, many plants are still under active construction today.

Even if all those power plants end up on China’s grid, Branstetter says there’s a good chance they won’t be used to their full potential."

https://www.wired.com/story/china-is-still-building-an-insane-number-of-new-coal-plants/[/QUOTE]
 

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Coal is cheaper for China but....

"In addition to roughly 1,000 gigawatts of existing coal capacity, China has 121 gigawatts of coal plants under construction, which is more than is being built in the rest of the world combined. But here’s the weird thing—more than half the time, China’s coal plants are just sitting around collecting dust. If China already has more coal power than it needs, why does it keep building new plants?"

"Local governments were under enormous political pressure to increase the economic productivity in their region and saw new coal plants as a great shortcut. China’s energy policies from the '80s and '90s basically guaranteed new coal plants would turn a profit, so local officials were incentivized to approve as many new coal plants in their region as possible—and that’s exactly what they did. The following year, the capacity of newly approved coal plants in China tripled."

"It didn’t take the federal government long to realize its mistake. In 2016, it rolled back the rules that threw coal plant construction into overdrive and delayed or canceled dozens of approved plants. But as Shearer and her colleagues at Global Energy Monitor found by analyzing permits and satellite images, many plants are still under active construction today.

Even if all those power plants end up on China’s grid, Branstetter says there’s a good chance they won’t be used to their full potential."

https://www.wired.com/story/china-is-still-building-an-insane-number-of-new-coal-plants/
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I don't understand why all of the local leaders approved tons of coal-powered generation, rather than tons of solar or wind-powered generation. Don't they both accomplish the same purposes? Yet the renewable powered generation also achieves lower emissions along with public/international image.
 



 









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