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It's always amused me that Hawaii has Interstate highways. ?
Me too.

There's a bit of a history there though. When gas taxes were first used for the interstate system the State of Hawaii complained, "Exactly what at use are the interstates to us and why are we paying gas taxes for them?" The answer was, "We're providing for the common defense." (They were sold as military use to transport men and equipment quickly). The answer was pretty much along the lines of "Oh, just like you defended Pearl Harbor?" It went downhill from there. Congress actually had to amend the interstate laws to allow them in Hawaii as Hawaii was threatening to impound all of the Hawaii derived Federal Gas tax money. So with the amended law they could build a freeway and then they could move soldiers from Kaneohe MCAS or Schofield Barracks to defend Pearl Harbor or Hickam, right? No, no they couldn't -- the freeway that could do that didn't actually open for well over 30 more years.

They then allowed interstates in Hawaii, more specifically Oahu where it was really needed (The H-1), later the H-2 was added (Nicknamed the "H to Nowhere") to open up the middle of the island, and finally the H-3 which was an expensive disaster destroying some cultural sites and scaring a pristine valley. But we got our freeways. :rolleyes:

And ... the Oahu MME owners will benefit from the hands-free driving feature when added because they have the controlled access dived road (3 of them). ;)

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Well, there's a bit of a history there. When gas taxes were first used for the interstate system the State of Hawaii complained, "WHat use are the interstates for us?" The answer was, "We're providing for defense." (They were sold as military use to transport men and equipment quickly). The answer was "Oh, just like you defended Pearl Harbor?" It went downhill from there. Congress actually had to amend the laws as Hawaii was threatening to impound all the Federal Gas tax. They then allowed inetrstates in Hawaii, more specifically Oahu where it was really needed (The H-1), later the H-2 was added (Nicknamed the "H to Nowehere") to open up the middle of the island and finally the H-3 which was an expensive disaster wiping out cultural sites and a pristine valley. But we got our freeways. :rolleyes:
Yep. I've driven them all many times. Still a funny thought!
 

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Well, sorta. The population of BEVs will grow mostly on the strength of home charging. Even if there's poor retail charging options in the area, many BEVs will still be sold to buyers that can easily charge at home (primarily for around-home use, often as the 2nd car in the household).

Buy yes, having a good retail charging infrastructure helps expand that further by making road trips more possible (although still requiring compromise that will limit their draw for road trip use).
 

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there's a poultry / chicken meat joke in there somewhere but I'm not good enough to get to it.
You just need to get a leg up on it.

Maybe head over to the library to check out a bok bok bok or two and brush up on your chicken knowledge. Really take the time to marinate in it.
 


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You just need to get a leg up on it.

Maybe head over to the library to check out a bok bok bok or two and brush up on your chicken knowledge. Really take the time to marinate in it.
[drumstick rimshot]
 

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You just need to get a leg up on it.

Maybe head over to the library to check out a bok bok bok or two and brush up on your chicken knowledge. Really take the time to marinate in it.
That belongs in the "dad joke hall of fame shame"
 

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Michigan has just awarded grants (VW emission case) for multiple locations in the state. Wisconsin? The previous GOP reps and Governor proposed 10 million for replacing school buses with new electric powered buses and a similar amount for electric car chargers. The new Democratic governor removed such statements via a partial veto and nothing has been done despite 9.8 million in funds available from the VW emission case.
 

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That's that same reason I don't expect BEVs to sell well in rural areas.

The more remote someone is, and needing to make long drives, I think the more likely they stick with the safety and security of gas fuel.
 

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Called it. They've moved to per kWh pricing.

https://electrek.co/2020/09/16/electrify-america-updates-pricing-fairer-kwh-model-lower-prices/

- Fred Lambert

Electrify America has announced a significant update to its pricing structure resulting in lower prices — mainly through the introduction of kWh-based pricing.



With the charging industry still being somewhat recent, charging networks are trying to navigate a complex market that involves working closely with electric utilities and automakers.

Now after operating and growing its network for a few years and listening to customers, Electrify America is changing its entire pricing structure today with kWh-based pricing.

Kilowatt-hour pricing is generally regarded as fairer than time-based pricing since you pay for the actual electricity delivered to your vehicle.

Giovanni Palazzo, president and chief executive officer of Electrify America, commented on today’s announcement:

Electrify America has listened to feedback from electric vehicle owners, potential customers, and longtime industry advocates. As a result we have developed a new pricing structure that is fair, consistent, and recognizes the increasing customer demand for kilowatt-hour pricing. With the new pricing, we deliver a simplified charging experience that shows new and existing customers how easy it is to own an EV.
The new kWh-based pricing is available in 23 states, where it is possible based on the local regulations:

EAMap_Pricing_FINAL_.png

In those states, which are home to over 70% of Electrify America’s customers, EV owners charging on Electrify America’s network will be charged $0.43 per kWh.

For those who decide to pay a $4 per month Electrify America subscription, the price per kWh goes down to $0.31.Also of note, with this update, Electrify America has removed its $1 charge per charging session.

In the other markets, Electrify America is obligated to keep a per-minute pricing model due to local regulations controlling the sale of electricity.

However, the charging network is also updating its per-minute pricing with now just two power levels for electric cars chariging up to 90 kW ($0.16 per minute without subscription and $0.12 per minute with subscription) and EVs charging up to 350 kW ($0.32 per minute without subscription and $0.24 per minute with subscription).


In an interview with Electrek yesterday, Palazzo said that they are working with regulators to promote kWh-based pricing:

We are helping increase awareness at the regulator level to move to kWh base price. We have contacted every state already and we have received response from everyone.
The CEO says that it might happen fast in some states, but the process could be slower in others.

Interestingly, Electrify America decided to go with a uniform pricing nationally instead of adjusting the prices for each market depending on the electricity rates.

Palazzo told Electrek that they wanted to go “all-in on simplification,” but they are still open to adapting the pricing per region in the future.

The new pricing structure is starting today at Electrify America’s more than 470 charging stations around the US.
 

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I am so happy about the member pricing per kwh - I expected much higher
Yeah!! The pricing is much better than I expected. Very excited about this. It should go a long ways towards eliminating complaints about cost to charge that gets thrown at Electrify America. It was like $27 to charge the MME on the old scheme. New one is about $11 or $19, depending on the state. Either way, it's a much better deal.

Pricing per kWh (California)
Member - $0.31/kWh
non-Member - $0.43/kWh

Pricing per minute (South Carolina)
Member
1 – 350 kW: $0.24/min
1 – 90 kW: $0.12/min

Non-Member
1 – 350 kW: $0.32/min
1 – 90 kW: $0.16/min
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