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[dbsb3233]

If they can set up the infrastructure, hydrogen fuel cells will be good for trucking. I just don't see it for consumer cars.

Building fueling infrastructure on the interstates is doable. But getting it to every corner of the country, I just don't see that happening.

Exactly. Unless/until batteries get WAY better, they have a problem handling heavy duty + long distance + fast fueling. Like distance trucking needs. For light duty (like personal passenger vehicles), batteries should be able to handle a sizeable share of the market. But heavy duty for distance is a lot tougher. Putting in tons of batteries is both very expensive and take forever to charge. Time is money in commercial applications.

Hydrogen is a possibility for commercial long-haul trucking, but it would probably require a grid of refueling hubs, almost like the airport model. And maybe a shift in the way cargo trailers are handled. Rather than staying with the same truck the whole way, I could see them being handed off from hub to hub instead. Then a different (diesel or electric) truck would transport it the rest of the way beyond the "hydrogen highway".

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[bluestarct]

Hydrogen is a possibility for commercial long-haul trucking, but it would probably require a grid of refueling hubs, almost like the airport model. And maybe a shift in the way cargo trailers are handled. Rather than staying with the same truck the whole way, I could see them being handed off from hub to hub instead. Then a different (diesel or electric) truck would transport it the rest of the way beyond the "hydrogen highway".

This is a map of just Pilot Flying J truck stops. If any of the large truck stop companies start putting in hydrogen stations, then the long haul routes are covered.

Link to map and data.
https://batchgeo.com/map/640a29bff40e376498782a10edebc83b

 

[trutolife27]

Nikola and more EV yes that's great. But Nikola has a long way to go. With what just happen with GM. The Nikola image too a big hit.

 

[dbsb3233]

This is a map of just Pilot Flying J truck stops. If any of the large truck stop companies start putting in hydrogen stations, then the long haul routes are covered.

Link to map and data.
https://batchgeo.com/map/640a29bff40e376498782a10edebc83b

From what I've read though, it's expensive to transport, making it impractical to supply stations by tanker. It's better to make it on-site, but you need economy of scale to make that work. Meaning fewer but larger fuel stations.

It also takes lots of electricity to make. I heard that the Southwest may be a prime area for a route, especially Arizona where solar is abundant and where California is dumping excess solar cheap.

 

[kdryden99]

Toyota is planning to release cars with SSB'S next year. Does that make the MME already obsolete?

 

[trutolife27]

Toyota is planning to release cars with SSB'S next year. Does that make the MME already obsolete?

the moment you buy anything is obsolete? nothing in life has changed. Always something better the next time.

 

[timbop]

Toyota is planning to release cars with SSB'S next year. Does that make the MME already obsolete?

"announcing plans" is a euphemism for "vaporware", "slideware", and "wishes".

 

[RonTCat]

From what I've read though, it's expensive to transport, making it impractical to supply stations by tanker. It's better to make it on-site, but you need economy of scale to make that work. Meaning fewer but larger fuel stations.

It also takes lots of electricity to make. I heard that the Southwest may be a prime area for a route, especially Arizona where solar is abundant and where California is dumping excess solar cheap.

Hydrogen production is ~55% efficient currently, meaning if it takes 100 units of energy to produce a quantity of hydrogen, you get 55 units of energy out by running it through a fuel cell, burning it, etc.

Not economical at this point. Could be used in blimps, though. No, wait... never mind.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Toyota is planning to release cars with SSB'S next year. Does that make the MME already obsolete?

No. Toyota plans to release a prototype in 2021. They are targeting limited production of batteries in 2025. My guess is a 2026 model year at the soonest. You'll be driving your Mach E for at least 5 years before then.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

No. Toyota plans to release a prototype in 2021. They are targeting limited production of batteries in 2025. My guess is a 2026 model year at the soonest. You'll be driving your Mach E for at least 5 years before then.

assuming it's been delivered by then!

right? I mean... right?

what's that? the sign that says "this way to the egress"? I can see it, why?

 

[ChasingCoral]

Hyundai just announced a new brand called HTWO dedicated to fuel cell vehicles.

Dedicated hydrogen brand

Hyundai HTWO announcement

HTWO? ?
And you thought Hyundai just rolled off the tongue ?

 

[bluestarct]

HTWO? ?
And you thought Hyundai just rolled off the tongue ?

I think H2 was already taken.

 

[trutolife27]

Video on Ev's coming out.

 

[timbop]

Video on Ev's coming out.

OMG - that is hilarious that étron is French for turd! How could Audi not have some employee that speaks french point that out!

 

[ChasingCoral]

OMG - that is hilarious that étron is French for turd! How could Audi not have some employee that speaks french point that out!

That's better than the Chevy Nova (no go in Spanish).

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