This forum is giving me cold feet…

Brian707

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 20, 2021
Threads
5
Messages
165
Reaction score
198
Location
Illinois
Vehicles
2021 Infinite Blue Mustang Mach E Premium AWD EXT
Country flag
Selling prices have a tendency to drop by nearly $7,500 during and very shortly after the federal tax credit phase-out period. Look at the price history of the Chevy Bolt, for a good example. Tesla was similar, as I recall. It's almost as if market forces are at work!

So I wouldn't recommend a hasty purchase just to try to cash in on a larger portion of the fed tax credit. Besides, those maniacs in D.C. are spending taxpayer money by the trillions these days - I wouldn't be surprised to see the tax credit extended or even increased.
I mean it's not like we had a once in 100 year pandemic.

I'd rather they spend the money on people who need it than on war or cutting the taxes on the super wealthy and corporations than have no benefit to the economy. This spending will allow the money to jump start the economy. It's not like it will be used by corporate stock buybacks. This money will make it back into the economy
Sponsored

 
Last edited:

Todd

Well-Known Member
First Name
Todd
Joined
May 12, 2021
Threads
0
Messages
66
Reaction score
55
Location
Vegas
Vehicles
EV6 GT
Country flag
Sorry, but your degree doesn't automatically authentic your assertions.

Yes it takes some emissions to make a car, make a solar panel, and some energy is lost during transmission. Of course the same is true for the cost of transporting petroleum and its derivates, so I'm not really sure one can state shipping tons of liquid 12000 miles is somehow "cleaner" than the 5% loss to heat in a high tension wire.

Oddly enough Doctor Robert Kehoe (employed by the API) made similar assertions about how leaded gasoline was not a pollutant and the then-measured levels of lead in the environment were completely normal. His "credentials" kept lead in gasoline for decades.

Funny, after leaded gasoline was banned those "normal" lead levels dropped precipitously.
So you basically agreed with everything I said; in addition, you added some stuff I didn't even talk about.

Please note that I only brought up a couple of examples of efficiency lost, for example, transmission lines... there are tons of other places that there exist efficiency losses also, but I didn't bother listing them all because, the simple point is that EVs are not 'emissions free'.

Thank you for at least agreeing with the points *I* made. I'm not going to discuss the 'leaded gasoline' stuff since I have never researched or worked with that.
 

Todd

Well-Known Member
First Name
Todd
Joined
May 12, 2021
Threads
0
Messages
66
Reaction score
55
Location
Vegas
Vehicles
EV6 GT
Country flag
There have been tons of studies confirming that EVs pollute much less than ICEs, congrats on your double major but what you posted is incorrect beyond yes, the best case is not owning a car.
Can you please be specific about what parts of my post are 'incorrect'?

Please note that I never stated EVs do or do not pollute less than ICEs... if you can find where I stated that, either way, please point it out.
 

Todd

Well-Known Member
First Name
Todd
Joined
May 12, 2021
Threads
0
Messages
66
Reaction score
55
Location
Vegas
Vehicles
EV6 GT
Country flag
Here's the thing: a lie told often enough becomes an accepted fact.
What 'lie' are you referring to? Please quote a specific line, if you could.
 

stroszek

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 2, 2020
Threads
4
Messages
204
Reaction score
272
Location
MN
Vehicles
Saab 92x
Country flag
Can you please be specific about what parts of my post are 'incorrect'?

Please note that I never stated EVs do or do not pollute less than ICEs... if you can find where I stated that, either way, please point it out.
No, you only implied that mentioning a bunch of comparatively minor sources of emission in comparison to running a personal gas generator. And even now you're trying to pretend as if there's an actual debate or doubt on this topic, instead of the overwhelming consensus of climatologists on one side and you, some guy with a Bachelor's in tangentially related fields, on the other.

But specifically:
The lack of local emissions yes, but EVs still use up energy which itself requires coal and burns dirty which causes lots of emissions.
Energy doesn't "require" coal which is currently a whopping 10 percent of the US energy mix. Obviously the mix needs to eliminate that as well gas/petro and move to renewables. Even so, EVs are way more efficient than hauling a personal generator.

And this:
The generation of gasoline has been refined for decades and was actually not nearly as comparatively dirty as 'green' energy... unfortunately, it gets a bad rap due to politics.
is just completely insane drivel. I can say this, definitively and objectively, because I have a Bachelor's in politics.
 
Last edited:


mkhuffman

Well-Known Member
First Name
Mike
Joined
Nov 19, 2020
Threads
24
Messages
6,070
Reaction score
8,016
Location
Virginia
Vehicles
2021 MME GT, Jeep GC-L, VW Jetta
Country flag
Talking about emissions isn't politics, it's science.
If you don't think the debate about emissions is political, then we have vastly different experiences with debates about the environment.

Regardless, people are now debating emissions in this thread and it is becoming contentious. Exactly like I expected. Can we please just focus on what brings us together: interest in a car Ford has produced that we all mostly love, or like?

It would be best to find another forum to debate emissions. Or hey, I know. Try Facebook. That seems to be a good place to have those sorts of debates! ;-)
 

timbop

Well-Known Member
First Name
Tim
Joined
Jan 3, 2020
Threads
63
Messages
6,729
Reaction score
13,758
Location
New Jersey
Vehicles
Solar powered 2021 MME ER RWD & 2022 Corsair PHEV
Occupation
Software Engineer
Country flag
What 'lie' are you referring to? Please quote a specific line, if you could.
This is clearly an attempt at equivalence:
The generation of gasoline has been refined for decades and was actually not nearly as comparatively dirty as 'green' energy... unfortunately, it gets a bad rap due to politics.
and this is a decades old crackpot theory:
there is a small bit of evidence that may show in the future that 'fossil' fuels are not actually produced by fossils and that it may be 'renewing' at a far faster rate that previously seen
I don't know if you meant it the way it came across, but neither assertion is credible
 
Last edited:

timbop

Well-Known Member
First Name
Tim
Joined
Jan 3, 2020
Threads
63
Messages
6,729
Reaction score
13,758
Location
New Jersey
Vehicles
Solar powered 2021 MME ER RWD & 2022 Corsair PHEV
Occupation
Software Engineer
Country flag
If you don't think the debate about emissions is political, then we have vastly different experiences with debates about the environment.

Regardless, people are now debating emissions in this thread and it is becoming contentious. Exactly like I expected. Can we please just focus on what brings us together: interest in a car Ford has produced that we all mostly love, or like?

It would be best to find another forum to debate emissions. Or hey, I know. Try Facebook. That seems to be a good place to have those sorts of debates! ;-)
ok, fair enough
 

Illinibird

Well-Known Member
First Name
Mike
Joined
Oct 13, 2020
Threads
40
Messages
1,563
Reaction score
1,445
Location
Frankfort Illinois
Vehicles
2015 Acura MDX Adv; 2016 Titanium Fusion Hybrid
Occupation
retired Endodontist (root canal specialist) and Clinical Assistant Professor
Country flag
The car can't connect wirelessly to your phone via Bluetooth *and* as Car Play or Android Auto at the same time... Somewhere in the car settings for the phone connection, you can choose one or the other (connect as Bluetooth or connect as Car Play/Android Auto). It took me a couple attempts because the car and phone want to pair up using an advanced Bluetooth connection by default instead of the wireless Car Play/Android Auto.

But if you fiddle with that a bit, connect as Car Play, and then *while connected* power cycle your phone, that should use that connection by default. It's something to do with the way Apple phones connect wirelessly and authenticate network connections by default.
I was only trying to repeat what I was told and that is the phone connects by Bluetooth first and the Apple’s Car Play via Wi-Fi after that. It’s above my pay grade and I admit I don’t understand it.
 

Mickey the T

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2020
Threads
12
Messages
250
Reaction score
360
Location
Southern California
Vehicles
Premium, SR, RWD, Infinite Blue
Country flag
If you don't think the debate about emissions is political, then we have vastly different experiences with debates about the environment.

Regardless, people are now debating emissions in this thread and it is becoming contentious. Exactly like I expected. Can we please just focus on what brings us together: interest in a car Ford has produced that we all mostly love, or like?

It would be best to find another forum to debate emissions. Or hey, I know. Try Facebook. That seems to be a good place to have those sorts of debates! ;-)
Well, I still disagree with you. I think that once you start talking about *policies* to deal with emissions, then yes, that's political. But if you're talking about the relative levels of emissions from an EV vs an ICE car, which is what started this tangent, now we're talking science.

But I do agree with you that the emissions issue has needlessly hosed up this thread.
 

OlyPen

Well-Known Member
First Name
Stephen
Joined
Jun 13, 2021
Threads
8
Messages
241
Reaction score
458
Location
Washington
Vehicles
2021 Mustang Mach E Premium Extended
Country flag
I was only trying to repeat what I was told and that is the phone connects by Bluetooth first and the Apple’s Car Play via Wi-Fi after that. It’s above my pay grade and I admit I don’t understand it.
Lots of folks are having issues with Car Play/Android Auto glitching out, but it stems from the issue that the phone can't connect to the car twice (but often attempts to) and the car rejects the attempts for multiple connections. Unlike my Nissan Leaf, which allows for the phone to connect via Bluetooth and have a connected Android Auto/Car Play connection, resulting in total chaos when playing music from the phone while it takes a call over Bluetooth--at the same time--and preventing disconnection from either and the inability to isolate volume of one of the two sources so you have a phone call at full volume whole listening to your music at full volume. But the issue lies with the way phone's handling of multiple connections (which it very much desires) and the car blocking those attempts and trying to isolate it just a single connection so you can use the car to control everything.

This gets exasperated by Ford also layering on a separate connection to the phone as key over Bluetooth, which the car needs to maintain despite not wanting to duplicate connections to the phone, in order to operate securely with no fob. Hence wasting away the phone's battery, along with our patience (sometimes, although I haven't had an issue with this personally).

Most posters blame it on the car manufacturer (and some of it is on them... I'm looking at you, Nissan.... But many of the connectivity issues lie with the myriad combinations of phone hardware and software.... Hence Tesla's avoidance of Car Play and Android Auto entirely.)

Sorry to imply anything about you personally by my reply, as that wasn't my intention.
 

Skierick

Active Member
First Name
Rick
Joined
Apr 12, 2021
Threads
3
Messages
36
Reaction score
42
Location
Denver
Vehicles
2021 Mach E Premium AWD, 2017 BMW 440 Convertible
Country flag
I’ve only had mine for a short time but totally love it. I still carry the key fob most of time since pak is not as automatic as I’d hoped, usually requires putting phone within a few inches of lock to work, but I’ve been carrying a key for 50 years so no big deal. I’ve been driving mostly BMWs for years and I’m thrilled with the performance of the Mach E. And I’ve never had a car that attracted so much attention. Everyone I’ve shown it to is amazed it didn’t cost much more. I had reservations about buying a brand new first year car but decided to cover that by spending $2000 of my tax rebate on an 8 year 100k warranty in case problems develop
 

ryoustra

Member
First Name
Ray
Joined
Jun 21, 2021
Threads
1
Messages
14
Reaction score
29
Location
Gaithersburg, MD
Vehicles
Rapid Red Premium Mustang Mach-E
Occupation
Software Architect
Country flag
Tru dat. Second best way is to keep using your old car. Manufacturing a new car requires enormous emission.

I've driven my car for 23 years, so I feel like I've done my part. I will feel no guilt whatsoever when my Mustang arrives. And I'm not even sure I believe in emissions!
Same here :) 23-year old Ford Contour. Will be quite an adjustment when my Mach E arrives
 

RW Journey

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 15, 2021
Threads
3
Messages
110
Reaction score
120
Location
Dallas
Vehicles
2021 Ford MME FE
Country flag
I reserved the FE in the small window of Nov 2019. I make it a point to never purchase the first year of a new model/design. This time Ford was putting the iconic Mustang name on this and to me it meant they were determined and focused. In the months that followed, Ford had an immersion series which provided more technical and background information. I found these to confirm the talent behind the MME as well as the passion of those involved. I converted the reservation to an order after the immersion series. It was delivered Feb 08 2021 and will never forget the "test drive" the dealership encouraged me to take...well there wasn't much encouragement needed. ;)

It has been 5 months, 7400 miles, a cross-country trip (3300 miles) and I still feel the same way today as I did when I drove it off the lot.

Has there been issues, yes. Does the overall enjoyment outweigh the issues, absolutely!

Are there things I would change? Yes, many of them have been posted on this forum. Has there ever been a car that I have owned that was perfect...Nope

Not sure how the market will be when the GT and GTPE start rolling off the line but you might be able to take delivery of the car, see if you like it, and if you don't...resell it.
 

Blinkin

Well-Known Member
First Name
James
Joined
Sep 14, 2020
Threads
0
Messages
223
Reaction score
576
Location
Zip Code: 48124
Vehicles
16 FoST
Country flag
Forums for cars in production are by their very nature filled with the problems and annoyances with the car. This forum is no exception. There are people who have problems with the Mach-e. They're here and rightfully complaining about the issues and seeking some form of guidance on how to deal with them.

On the other hand, those with few or no issues, aren't going to be here talking about how their car works as expected. My car has been great, with almost no issues, and those that I've had are very minor and transitory. That's probably where most mach-e's are. This is the nicest car I've ever owned. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. But this is the first year of a new model and design. There will be more issues than designs that have been hammered out over many years.
I'll chime in as being in that group. My MME has met or exceeded expectations in every way since I took delivery in April. I have been a MUCH less active user of this forum as a result - there's simply no reason for me to ask questions or post complaints.

There is definitely a sampling error in forums like this, as you said. Nobody posts new threads like "another totally easy and convenient day with my new car!"
Sponsored

 
 




Top