Time to reserve the F-150 Lighting EV?

[jlauro]

Actually, the Cybertruck doesn't come in any version. Maybe it will some day.

Lol, true... but seriously it should be in customers hands before the F-150 by 6 months assuming Tesla doesn't make their original release date but only slips a couple of quarters.

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[shutterbug]

Actually, the Cybertruck doesn't come in any version. Maybe it will some day.

It comes in PowerPoint version.

 

[Maquis]

Yep. And even 300 unloaded is gonna be tough. Takes 88 kWh (usable) in the MME, RWD only, and lower/sleeker body style to get that. In a taller/boxier truck, that's gonna have a LOT more drag. 150 kWh battery, maybe? 180? (In the longest-range trim.)

It's probably gonna fall somewhere between the Mach-E (300 miles RWD on 88 kWh) and the eTransit (126 miles 66 kWh).

Be really curious to see the specs on this thing next week. Unless they've found some new magic, I have a feeling a lot of people are expecting too much from the range/payload combos.

Good points....

I would think there would be plenty of room for a really big battery in the F150 form factor. The question is how big does it need to be to offset that drag??? And a big battery means big $$$.

It may be more disappointing to see the cost with a huge battery than the range/payload ratio?

 

[dbsb3233]

Good points....

I would think there would be plenty of room for a really big battery in the F150 form factor. The question is how big does it need to be to offset that drag??? And a big battery means big $$$.

It may be more disappointing to see the cost with a huge battery than the range/payload ratio?

Yep. They'll probably offer multiple trims (like a 100 kWh battery and a 160?) so they can claim some victory on each end of the scale (cost and capability). Like they do with the Mach-E. ("Starting at $42,995" and "300 miles" in the same breath, even though they're on totally different trims).

Nothing wrong with that, of course. It's how the game is played. But those wanting range AND payload (and AWD) better be ready to fork over some serious $$$. That much battery can't come cheap.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Yep. Rivian too. Lots of anticipation, but what really gets delivered is yet to be seen.

Yes but Rivian is getting close.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Yep. They'll probably offer multiple trims (like a 100 kWh battery and a 160?) so they can claim some victory on each end of the scale (cost and capability). Like they do with the Mach-E. ("Starting at $42,995" and "300 miles" in the same breath, even though they're on totally different trims).

Nothing wrong with that, of course. It's how the game is played. But those wanting range AND payload (and AWD) better be ready to fork over some serious $$$. That much battery can't come cheap.

That's what Rivian is doing: 105, 135, and 180 kWh versions:
"Rivian plans to start R1T deliveries in June, beginning with Launch Edition models priced from $75,000. The Launch Edition gets what Rivian calls the "Large pack"—assumed to be 135 kilowatt-hours—allowing for 300 miles of range. The largest 180-kwh pack—which Rivian calls the "Max pack" adds 100 miles of range for an extra $10,000, and is expected to become available in January, followed by a smaller 105-kwh pack. Rivian uses battery cells from Samsung SDI."

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[Mach Daddy]

It would be great if the 120V/240V plugs available in the hybrid F-150 and I assume the Lightning make it into future Mach-Es as an option or included. Glampers, outdoorsy people, tailgaters, and DYI'ers who don't need an F-150 would love it.

 

[RonTCat]

Also, doesn't the F-150's battery supplier have legal problems? That can't be helpful.

Resolved.

 

[RonTCat]

Yep. They'll probably offer multiple trims (like a 100 kWh battery and a 160?) so they can claim some victory on each end of the scale (cost and capability). Like they do with the Mach-E. ("Starting at $42,995" and "300 miles" in the same breath, even though they're on totally different trims).

Nothing wrong with that, of course. It's how the game is played. But those wanting range AND payload (and AWD) better be ready to fork over some serious $$$. That much battery can't come cheap.

Batteries are north of $100/kWh. It's partly why the Rivian is $$$$.

 

[dbsb3233]

Batteries are north of $100/kWh. It's partly why the Rivian is $$$$.

And if I understand it right, that's just the wholesale cost. In the case of the Mach-E, the retail price to customers ended up being $250/kWh to jump 20 kWh from the SR to ER battery. Although I presume a lot of that was simply supply/demand pricing (i.e. more customers wanting the ER, thus that upgrade netted a higher premium relative to the first 68 kWh (usable) in the pack).

 

[BK2EV]

As a Gen 1 and Gen 2 lightning owner..........WooHoo!! ...... a G3 Lightning.... gulp......... or is it????.... Hard to beat that supercharged 5.4 sound (especially pullied and tuned). However, performance should certainly be there.

 

[balthisar]

And if I understand it right, that's just the wholesale cost. In the case of the Mach-E, the retail price to customers ended up being $250/kWh to jump 20 kWh from the SR to ER battery. Although I presume a lot of that was simply supply/demand pricing (i.e. more customers wanting the ER, thus that upgrade netted a higher premium relative to the first 68 kWh (usable) in the pack).

I can't go into specifics, but before the CX727 was named "Mustang," we were looking at our own Ford costs being at more than the figure quoted for the upgrade, but for the entire battery pack. This probably had a lot to do with making this a "Mustang" rather than a compliance vehicle, and of course, those costs are out of date. I'm only mentioning it because it's interesting to think about how costs change, and affect things. I hate to be vague, but I enjoy my job. ;-)

I just want to work in the building where they are going to build the BEV F-150.

Define "build"; there are a lot of buildings, and they all kind of just feed into the same final assembly line. If you're ever in Dearborn, though, I highly suspect that the "Rouge Tour" (Google it; it's affiliated with "The Henry Ford") will include this. It's going to be of peak interest.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Batteries are north of $100/kWh. It's partly why the Rivian is $$$$.

I'm hoping the Ford batteries will be considerably cheaper than Rivian's!

 

[JoeDimwit]

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Define "build"; there are a lot of buildings, and they all kind of just feed into the same final assembly line. If you're ever in Dearborn, though, I highly suspect that the "Rouge Tour" (Google it; it's affiliated with "The Henry Ford") will include this. It's going to be of peak interest.

I work for Ford, at the Rouge Complex. The building I’m referring to is the one where they will be assembling the Lightning.

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