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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/big-one-ford-mustang-mach-e-vs-tesla-model-y

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-vs-ford-mustang-mach-e-top-gear-comparison/

Even the Tesla cheerleaders had to admit:
Exterior-wise, however, the Mach-E proved the clear winner, as it drew far more interest among people than the Model Y. During its test, Top Gear noted that even hardened Mustang enthusiasts proved very enthusiastic about the Mach-E, with some noting that they would probably purchase the vehicle. On the other hand, the Model Y was largely invisible, likely mistaken by the layman as just another Model 3.

Full article:

The big one: Ford Mustang Mach-E vs Tesla Model Y
Two American giants collide, the old-timer muscling in on the start-up’s patch
Pat Devereux
17 Mar 2021
As punch-ups go, this is right up there with David and Goliath. The irony being that Ford is the challenger and Tesla is the giant in this ring. Tesla’s value recently topped $600 billion – a staggering 16 times that of the Ford Motor Company.

It has achieved this by cracking the electric car code – creating its own charging infrastructure rather than relying on existing networks. And, ironically, by flogging its zero emission credits to the traditional car companies, helping them avoid regulatory emissions fines around the world.

Ford has big plans to electrify its entire range of cars and trucks, but it’s clearly got some catching up to do. Here’s the first step on the long and winding road. How the Mach-E fares here will give us a good idea how it should do in the months and years to come.

In the red corner, we have the Tesla Model Y, Elon’s mid-sized SUV crossover in top-specification Performance trim, packing 450bhp and weighing just over 2,000kg. It tips the financial scales at $61,000. In the blue corner stands the new Ford Mustang Mach-E. This is a flagship First Edition fitted with the twin motor 332bhp drivetrain and weighs in at an identical $61,000. In the UK, it’s £58,080.

Both are family SUVs – cool enough to be seen in, practical enough to cope. The Ford hits that mark reasonably predictably, nothing controversial, a hint of mean-streets-of-Mustang meets cutesy Disney. The Tesla is an MPV – remember them? It wouldn’t be cool if anyone else did it. Seconds out, it’s time for round one.

Round 1
The first round of this 24-hour electric grudge match in Los Angeles, the world epicentre of electron-powered cars, starts with both cars on an identical 93 per cent charge. We do what we do with all new cars: head for the canyons and curves in the mountains above the city. I have a secret route honed over many years which, within fewer than 30 miles, can tell you pretty much everything you need to know about a car’s ride, handling, acceleration and braking. It’s our own private Nordschleife or Isle of Man, and not far off as demanding.

We are expecting the Mustang, despite its power deficit in this spec, to be the star performer here, given all its sports car heritage and much-hyped handling. Plus it’s got the benefit of being developed against the known Tesla package. I mean, that’s almost like putting weights in your boxing gloves.

But when we get to the top of the mountain, we agree that it’s the Tesla that is the more enjoyable, the more athletic of the two. It’s noticeably lighter on its wheels, feels much more incisive and quick reacting turning into corners. Admittedly there’s little steering feel but overall the lower centre of gravity and higher grip help boost confidence and allow you to use all of the Tesla’s considerable power. Power that Tesla claims can get it to 60mph in 3.5 seconds – almost two whole seconds ahead of the Ford.

We are expecting the Mustang to be the star performer here
Somehow it’s more rewarding and enjoyable to drive, not only than the Mach-E, but also previous Model 3 saloons we have driven. We suspect that’s down to the Y’s 21-inch wheels and slightly lowered suspension. A set-up that does make the ride a bit harsh.

Depending on where you put your driving priorities, that might make the Ford a better bet. The Mach-E’s 19-inch wheels give a much smoother, plusher ride than the Tesla on all surfaces. Road noise is lower and the car is calmer. But the Mach-E is heavy in comparison, the steering weight – especially in Unbridled, the most open of the three performance modes – feels synthetic and the car takes a moment longer to respond to inputs than the Y. It’s not a car that likes to be thrown around, or rewards you for doing so. It’s best kept within its modest grip boundaries – manage the weight by turning in more gradually and you can still rocket out the other side of a corner in a very satisfying way.

And it’s easily quick enough for an SUV. Despite being 200kg heavier, mash the throttle in any mode and its 417lb ft of torque arrive instantly with a Blade Runner-esque soundtrack booming out of the speakers.

The Tesla has the more complete electric drivetrain – its transition from acceleration to regen braking is superb. You can make deceptively quick progress without once touching the stop pedal, just relaxing the throttle to get the car to turn in. It sounds alien but all it takes is a couple of corners for it to be second nature – and fun.

Round 2
Both cars enter the next round with about 65 per cent of battery charge remaining, having regen’ed several per cent on the run back down the mountain. Try doing that in your regular pony car. That’s still plenty to do a day of city driving. So there’s no range panic yet.

This round is all about how each vehicle stacks up when it comes to moving people and their baggage. Since we have a photographer and his assistant with us, we have no shortage of awkward-sized cases, bags and strange, unreasonable requests for pictures in hard to get to places.

Ford claims the Mach-E’s interior draws on mid-century modern design themes of clean lines and floating details, like the central control screen, to achieve a sense of openness and space. I wish they didn’t. I live in a Fifties MCM house so it’s quite simple to compare and I’m not seeing it.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nice interior. The full-width textile-covered dashboard looks, feels and indeed is, a B&O speaker, the pillar-box info screen is unobtrusive and crystal clear, while the vast, portrait central screen is great to use and behold. Plus its seats are instantly softer and more compliant than the Tesla’s, and the driving position can be tailored more easily thanks to a telescopic steering column. But it’s more conventional in here – Ford has left switchgear littered around, presumably unwilling to risk alienating current Ford owners.

The Model Y, by comparison, is minimalist heaven. You have a wood-topped dash, a landscape screen and no – zero – buttons other than the toggles on the steering wheel. That’s it. Spec it in white if you dare (though have a cleaner on speed dial) and it feels like you are in some kind of other-worldly spaceship.

A feeling which is only added to when you start to explore the technology on offer. The Mach-E has Ford’s excellent Co-Pilot 360 suite of anti-crash safety bells and whistles. But the Model Y’s Autopilot and other features are on an altogether different planet of sophistication. The car is near sentient, monitoring traffic, pedestrians and road furniture. It even reminds you when the traffic lights have turned green, in case you are lost in thought. Rather than being annoying – you can turn off pretty much all the noises if you want – it simply feels more evolved and smarter than the Mach-E.

Both cars can shape shift their interiors very quickly to adapt to differing loads of human and other baggage. They share low rear load decks, quick folding split rear seats and small but useful frunks. Rear passengers said they preferred the Model Y’s higher, more airy seating position compared with the Mach-E’s lower-slung, high beltline seating, but there were no serious complaints.

After several hours of stop, go and swerve through the now dimly lit, third-world downtown streets, we declared this round a draw. If you like your tech on the bleeding edge and your furniture minimal, the Y is the choice. But if you just want to drive an electric car that keeps you safe and doesn’t try and dazzle you, the Mach-E is on point. It’s the less demanding, easier to interact with car.

Round 3
From inside to out, this penultimate session comes down to the physical kerb appeal of the two vehicles. This is not a round you score yourself – it’s all about what the general public and other road users think. And, on that basis, there might as well have been only one car in this test – the Mach-E.

Everyone we met – moving and static – was mesmerised by the Grabber Blue Ford while the red Tesla was all but invisible to them. Many didn’t even bother to check out the Y, just believing it was an X, or perhaps a 3 – Tesla’s design hasn’t really evolved at all. But everyone wanted to know more about the Mach-E.

There’s been a lot of chat about use of the Mustang name being close to abuse of the hallowed brand. But we couldn’t find anyone – including serial owners of petrol-powered Mustangs – who had anything but good things to say about it. Would they buy one? “Hell, yeah!” was the common response. So mark that one down as a win for the Blue Oval – if you buy a car to get noticed. And to Tesla if you enjoy moving around anonymously.

Round 4
With charge levels now down to 30 per cent-ish, and both vehicles needing to be returned the next day with full batteries, this final round was all about charging. Tesla obviously lands the first uppercut by having a relatively mature, widespread Supercharger network. It’s impressive in Europe, but in California it’s close to faultless.

So we came up with a challenge. We asked each car for its suggested charging options and, surprisingly, they both came back with the same location – a shopping centre six miles away. Arriving at the mall, the difference could not have been more pronounced.

Superchargers almost completely remove the whole range anxiety thing
While the rather tatty regular chargers were just bolted into a couple of stalls on a low-level floor, their cables slung like knotted clothes lines over the boxes, the sleek, clean Tesla Superchargers occupied a full quarter of the top floor of the car park. When we plugged the Mach-E in, the charger informed us it would take 20 hours to fill. The Tesla? Just 45 minutes. This has nothing to do with the cars themselves, but highlights that the public charging network – both in Europe and the US – is five years behind Tesla’s.

Superchargers, which are still faster than the fastest offered by Ford’s network, almost completely remove the whole range anxiety thing. It’s just so easy to use Tesla’s network away from home. Plot a long journey and the Model Y will tell you where to stop, how long you’ll need to be there and redirect you if that Supercharger is occupied before you get there. Ford’s onboard system isn’t too far behind, able to find fast chargers, plot routes and so on, but it isn’t yet quite as cohesive.

What to make of the two cars overall? Well both do the job of being a family SUV at least as well as anything with an internal combustion engine. No, the Mustang is not a Mustang as we know and love it, but it is a highly competent and moderately engaging first step on Ford’s path to electrification. But despite the clearly apparent investment Ford has put in, our winner is the Tesla Model Y. Not because of its speed and handling, but because it feels the fresher, more forward-looking product. It wins on points, but given this is Ford’s first attempt, it’s a very solid one indeed. Tesla worth 16 times Ford? It could soon be time to back the Blue Oval instead.

Photography: Jamie Lipman

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Even the Tesla cheerleaders had to admit:
Exterior-wise, however, the Mach-E proved the clear winner, as it drew far more interest among people than the Model Y. During its test, Top Gear noted that even hardened Mustang enthusiasts proved very enthusiastic about the Mach-E, with some noting that they would probably purchase the vehicle. On the other hand, the Model Y was largely invisible, likely mistaken by the layman as just another Model 3.
Man, WHY are they comparing the performance trim Y against the Mach-E premium and then declaring the model Y a performance winner? I don't understand that. That's a setup lost on paper already.
Compare a GT to a Performance Y, or a Mach-E premium to a Y LR. C'mon Topgear....
 

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Man, WHY are they comparing the performance trim Y against the Mach-E premium and then declaring the model Y a performance winner? I don't understand that. That's a setup lost on paper already.
Compare a GT to a Performance Y, or a Mach-E premium to a Y LR. C'mon Topgear....
TV is always impartial and do quality research. 😀
I always heard that TopGear is very Tesla friendly.
The charging network is secondary to the vehicle comparison in my thinking. It affects how you use the vehicle not how it drives.

Anyway, don't come to buy a Mach-e until next year when there is more charging locations and everyone has received the current allocation asap. And when the GT is out.
 

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Man, WHY are they comparing the performance trim Y against the Mach-E premium and then declaring the model Y a performance winner? I don't understand that. That's a setup lost on paper already.
Compare a GT to a Performance Y, or a Mach-E premium to a Y LR. C'mon Topgear....
That irritated me too. It makes no sense at all. They also have some basic errors. One example - A Supercharger isn't always "faster than the fastest offered by Ford’s network." Around here, there are several 350 kW EA chargers and many of the Tesla chargers are only 150 kW. And Tesla's fastest is only 250 kW. Of course, the Mach-E can't go over 150 kW charging, but with the way charging stations often split their power if side-by-side stations are full, it would make a difference.
 

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Man, WHY are they comparing the performance trim Y against the Mach-E premium and then declaring the model Y a performance winner? I don't understand that. That's a setup lost on paper already.
Compare a GT to a Performance Y, or a Mach-E premium to a Y LR. C'mon Topgear....
Why would you worry about that? If you drove Tesla and MME, you know who performance winner is. Not sure why it is such a pain for MME people to acknowledge the fact that any Model Y or Model 3 in any configuration is more engaging and responsive than any configuration of MME (except GT which nobody tested yet). You do not need to involve MY Performance to prove that. That's a fact, fortunately or unfortunately. MME will beat MY/M3 in many other aspects but not in the performance one. You cannot be the best in everything.
 

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Man, WHY are they comparing the performance trim Y against the Mach-E premium and then declaring the model Y a performance winner? I don't understand that. That's a setup lost on paper already.
Compare a GT to a Performance Y, or a Mach-E premium to a Y LR. C'mon Topgear....
And that is why this article holds no points and is flawed. Really it screams half-ass job. Get ready for next week as TopGear compares the ford ranger to a chevy full ton truck.
 

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Interesting how the "20 hours to charge" didn't strike them as something being broken with that particular charger. I call bulls*t on them actually waiting 20 hours to charge.

Not sure why it is such a pain for MME people to acknowledge the fact that any Model Y or Model 3 in any configuration is more engaging and responsive than any configuration of MME
Not sure where you're getting that from? The unbiased reviews I've read haven't indicated that at all.
 

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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/big-one-ford-mustang-mach-e-vs-tesla-model-y

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-vs-ford-mustang-mach-e-top-gear-comparison/

Even the Tesla cheerleaders had to admit:
Exterior-wise, however, the Mach-E proved the clear winner, as it drew far more interest among people than the Model Y. During its test, Top Gear noted that even hardened Mustang enthusiasts proved very enthusiastic about the Mach-E, with some noting that they would probably purchase the vehicle. On the other hand, the Model Y was largely invisible, likely mistaken by the layman as just another Model 3.

Full article:

The big one: Ford Mustang Mach-E vs Tesla Model Y
Two American giants collide, the old-timer muscling in on the start-up’s patch
Pat Devereux
17 Mar 2021
As punch-ups go, this is right up there with David and Goliath. The irony being that Ford is the challenger and Tesla is the giant in this ring. Tesla’s value recently topped $600 billion – a staggering 16 times that of the Ford Motor Company.

It has achieved this by cracking the electric car code – creating its own charging infrastructure rather than relying on existing networks. And, ironically, by flogging its zero emission credits to the traditional car companies, helping them avoid regulatory emissions fines around the world.

Ford has big plans to electrify its entire range of cars and trucks, but it’s clearly got some catching up to do. Here’s the first step on the long and winding road. How the Mach-E fares here will give us a good idea how it should do in the months and years to come.

In the red corner, we have the Tesla Model Y, Elon’s mid-sized SUV crossover in top-specification Performance trim, packing 450bhp and weighing just over 2,000kg. It tips the financial scales at $61,000. In the blue corner stands the new Ford Mustang Mach-E. This is a flagship First Edition fitted with the twin motor 332bhp drivetrain and weighs in at an identical $61,000. In the UK, it’s £58,080.

Both are family SUVs – cool enough to be seen in, practical enough to cope. The Ford hits that mark reasonably predictably, nothing controversial, a hint of mean-streets-of-Mustang meets cutesy Disney. The Tesla is an MPV – remember them? It wouldn’t be cool if anyone else did it. Seconds out, it’s time for round one.

Round 1
The first round of this 24-hour electric grudge match in Los Angeles, the world epicentre of electron-powered cars, starts with both cars on an identical 93 per cent charge. We do what we do with all new cars: head for the canyons and curves in the mountains above the city. I have a secret route honed over many years which, within fewer than 30 miles, can tell you pretty much everything you need to know about a car’s ride, handling, acceleration and braking. It’s our own private Nordschleife or Isle of Man, and not far off as demanding.

We are expecting the Mustang, despite its power deficit in this spec, to be the star performer here, given all its sports car heritage and much-hyped handling. Plus it’s got the benefit of being developed against the known Tesla package. I mean, that’s almost like putting weights in your boxing gloves.

But when we get to the top of the mountain, we agree that it’s the Tesla that is the more enjoyable, the more athletic of the two. It’s noticeably lighter on its wheels, feels much more incisive and quick reacting turning into corners. Admittedly there’s little steering feel but overall the lower centre of gravity and higher grip help boost confidence and allow you to use all of the Tesla’s considerable power. Power that Tesla claims can get it to 60mph in 3.5 seconds – almost two whole seconds ahead of the Ford.


Somehow it’s more rewarding and enjoyable to drive, not only than the Mach-E, but also previous Model 3 saloons we have driven. We suspect that’s down to the Y’s 21-inch wheels and slightly lowered suspension. A set-up that does make the ride a bit harsh.

Depending on where you put your driving priorities, that might make the Ford a better bet. The Mach-E’s 19-inch wheels give a much smoother, plusher ride than the Tesla on all surfaces. Road noise is lower and the car is calmer. But the Mach-E is heavy in comparison, the steering weight – especially in Unbridled, the most open of the three performance modes – feels synthetic and the car takes a moment longer to respond to inputs than the Y. It’s not a car that likes to be thrown around, or rewards you for doing so. It’s best kept within its modest grip boundaries – manage the weight by turning in more gradually and you can still rocket out the other side of a corner in a very satisfying way.

And it’s easily quick enough for an SUV. Despite being 200kg heavier, mash the throttle in any mode and its 417lb ft of torque arrive instantly with a Blade Runner-esque soundtrack booming out of the speakers.

The Tesla has the more complete electric drivetrain – its transition from acceleration to regen braking is superb. You can make deceptively quick progress without once touching the stop pedal, just relaxing the throttle to get the car to turn in. It sounds alien but all it takes is a couple of corners for it to be second nature – and fun.

Round 2
Both cars enter the next round with about 65 per cent of battery charge remaining, having regen’ed several per cent on the run back down the mountain. Try doing that in your regular pony car. That’s still plenty to do a day of city driving. So there’s no range panic yet.

This round is all about how each vehicle stacks up when it comes to moving people and their baggage. Since we have a photographer and his assistant with us, we have no shortage of awkward-sized cases, bags and strange, unreasonable requests for pictures in hard to get to places.

Ford claims the Mach-E’s interior draws on mid-century modern design themes of clean lines and floating details, like the central control screen, to achieve a sense of openness and space. I wish they didn’t. I live in a Fifties MCM house so it’s quite simple to compare and I’m not seeing it.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nice interior. The full-width textile-covered dashboard looks, feels and indeed is, a B&O speaker, the pillar-box info screen is unobtrusive and crystal clear, while the vast, portrait central screen is great to use and behold. Plus its seats are instantly softer and more compliant than the Tesla’s, and the driving position can be tailored more easily thanks to a telescopic steering column. But it’s more conventional in here – Ford has left switchgear littered around, presumably unwilling to risk alienating current Ford owners.

The Model Y, by comparison, is minimalist heaven. You have a wood-topped dash, a landscape screen and no – zero – buttons other than the toggles on the steering wheel. That’s it. Spec it in white if you dare (though have a cleaner on speed dial) and it feels like you are in some kind of other-worldly spaceship.

A feeling which is only added to when you start to explore the technology on offer. The Mach-E has Ford’s excellent Co-Pilot 360 suite of anti-crash safety bells and whistles. But the Model Y’s Autopilot and other features are on an altogether different planet of sophistication. The car is near sentient, monitoring traffic, pedestrians and road furniture. It even reminds you when the traffic lights have turned green, in case you are lost in thought. Rather than being annoying – you can turn off pretty much all the noises if you want – it simply feels more evolved and smarter than the Mach-E.

Both cars can shape shift their interiors very quickly to adapt to differing loads of human and other baggage. They share low rear load decks, quick folding split rear seats and small but useful frunks. Rear passengers said they preferred the Model Y’s higher, more airy seating position compared with the Mach-E’s lower-slung, high beltline seating, but there were no serious complaints.

After several hours of stop, go and swerve through the now dimly lit, third-world downtown streets, we declared this round a draw. If you like your tech on the bleeding edge and your furniture minimal, the Y is the choice. But if you just want to drive an electric car that keeps you safe and doesn’t try and dazzle you, the Mach-E is on point. It’s the less demanding, easier to interact with car.

Round 3
From inside to out, this penultimate session comes down to the physical kerb appeal of the two vehicles. This is not a round you score yourself – it’s all about what the general public and other road users think. And, on that basis, there might as well have been only one car in this test – the Mach-E.

Everyone we met – moving and static – was mesmerised by the Grabber Blue Ford while the red Tesla was all but invisible to them. Many didn’t even bother to check out the Y, just believing it was an X, or perhaps a 3 – Tesla’s design hasn’t really evolved at all. But everyone wanted to know more about the Mach-E.

There’s been a lot of chat about use of the Mustang name being close to abuse of the hallowed brand. But we couldn’t find anyone – including serial owners of petrol-powered Mustangs – who had anything but good things to say about it. Would they buy one? “Hell, yeah!” was the common response. So mark that one down as a win for the Blue Oval – if you buy a car to get noticed. And to Tesla if you enjoy moving around anonymously.

Round 4
With charge levels now down to 30 per cent-ish, and both vehicles needing to be returned the next day with full batteries, this final round was all about charging. Tesla obviously lands the first uppercut by having a relatively mature, widespread Supercharger network. It’s impressive in Europe, but in California it’s close to faultless.

So we came up with a challenge. We asked each car for its suggested charging options and, surprisingly, they both came back with the same location – a shopping centre six miles away. Arriving at the mall, the difference could not have been more pronounced.


While the rather tatty regular chargers were just bolted into a couple of stalls on a low-level floor, their cables slung like knotted clothes lines over the boxes, the sleek, clean Tesla Superchargers occupied a full quarter of the top floor of the car park. When we plugged the Mach-E in, the charger informed us it would take 20 hours to fill. The Tesla? Just 45 minutes. This has nothing to do with the cars themselves, but highlights that the public charging network – both in Europe and the US – is five years behind Tesla’s.

Superchargers, which are still faster than the fastest offered by Ford’s network, almost completely remove the whole range anxiety thing. It’s just so easy to use Tesla’s network away from home. Plot a long journey and the Model Y will tell you where to stop, how long you’ll need to be there and redirect you if that Supercharger is occupied before you get there. Ford’s onboard system isn’t too far behind, able to find fast chargers, plot routes and so on, but it isn’t yet quite as cohesive.

What to make of the two cars overall? Well both do the job of being a family SUV at least as well as anything with an internal combustion engine. No, the Mustang is not a Mustang as we know and love it, but it is a highly competent and moderately engaging first step on Ford’s path to electrification. But despite the clearly apparent investment Ford has put in, our winner is the Tesla Model Y. Not because of its speed and handling, but because it feels the fresher, more forward-looking product. It wins on points, but given this is Ford’s first attempt, it’s a very solid one indeed. Tesla worth 16 times Ford? It could soon be time to back the Blue Oval instead.

Photography: Jamie Lipman

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That TG review is BS.
Mach E handles better than the model Y, and has longer range, interior is more user friendly. Model y while looks futuristic inside is a hassle to change anything while driving.
Mach E costs 7k less than Model Y long range and FSD, and has 7500 credit back. With 14k less, longer range and 80% features from FSD,.Mach E is unbeatable.

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Model Y Long Range with FSD costs $63,000 (AWD, FSD, color grey and diamond cut wheels). Mach E premium in Grey, Extended range, AWD, and copilot etc costs $56,000 Thats $7k diff.
Mach E has 7,500 credit, which totals to $14,500.
 
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Not sure where you're getting that from? The unbiased reviews I've read haven't indicated that at all.
All the reviews I've read agree that any Tesla goes from 0 to 60 considerably faster than any MME. Any Tesla charges faster also. Or what do you mean by performance then?
 

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That TG review is BS.
Mach E handles better than the model Y, and has longer range, interior is more user friendly. Model y while looks futuristic inside is a hassle to change anything while driving.
Mach E costs 7k less than Model Y long range and FSD, and has 7500 credit back. With 14k less, longer range and 80% features from FSD,.Mach E is unbeatable.
What Mach E costs $7k less than Model Y LR? Select Standard RWD? Please... If you compare apples to apples Model Y LR costs $49,990 without credit and comparable MME (AWD Extended range) costs $54,700 without credit - so, yes, there is a difference, but it's $2.8K, not $14K - sorry...
 

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What Mach E costs $7k less than Model Y LR? Select Standard RWD? Please... If you compare apples to apples Model Y LR costs $49,990 without credit and comparable MME (AWD Extended range) costs $54,700 without credit - so, yes, there is a difference, but it's $2.8K, not $14K - sorry...
Sir you have not read me well :)
Model Y Long Range with FSD costs $63,000 (AWD, FSD, color grey and shiny wheels). Mach E premium in Grey, Extended range, AWD, and copilot etc costs $56,000 Thats $7k diff.
Mach E has 7,500 credit, which totals to $14,500.

Hence, Apples to Apples. How do you like them apples?
 

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Sir you have not read me well :)
Model Y Long Range with FSD costs $63,000 (AWD, FSD, color grey and shiny wheels). Mach E premium in Grey, Extended range, AWD, and copilot etc costs $56,000 Thats $7k diff.
Mach E has 7,500 credit, which totals to $14,500.

Hence, Apples to Apples. How do you like them apples?
Wait, wait, wait - I am sorry, but you are getting ahead of yourself - what FSD has anything to do with the stuff we are talking about? Please, do not add oranges to apples - Ford doesn't have FSD, Tesla doesn't have FSD - again, compare apples to apples. Nobody currently buying FSD option with Tesla - so, please do not force that to the total price.

My god... I see you also added shiny wheels and custom color - please do not artificially warp the picture - you will start sounding just like a Tesla fans sounding - stick to the facts and do not add custom options if you want a fare comparison.

And again - Ford doesn't have FSD (or whatever you call it) - like in case with Tesla, it's just a promise... And btw, you cannot buy it yet - why? - right, because it's just that - a promise.
 
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That TG review is BS.
Mach E handles better than the model Y, and has longer range, interior is more user friendly. Model y while looks futuristic inside is a hassle to change anything while driving.
Mach E costs 7k less than Model Y long range and FSD, and has 7500 credit back. With 14k less, longer range and 80% features from FSD,.Mach E is unbeatable.
The Mach E does not handle better than the Model Y, the ride quality is better, but the MY grips the road and corners better. Ford made the decision to go with econobox size tires (probably to get the range numbers up) which in such a heavy car is hurting the handling. The MME is a much more comfortable vehicle, less road noise, better ride etc.

It is unfair to compare the pricing of the MME to the MY with FSD and 20 inch wheels..MME does not and will not have anything close to FSD, the enhanced copilot is pretty much a match for autopilot which is standard. If you compare spec for spec (assuming X plan and $2500 ford options rebate) you are 2500-3500 lower in price in the MME, if the $7000 credit comes back for Tesla then the price advantage is in the other direction.
 

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All the reviews I've read agree that any Tesla goes from 0 to 60 considerably faster than any MME. Any Tesla charges faster also. Or what do you mean by performance then?
Handling in the twisties!
 

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Handling in the twisties!
Well then - Tesla has off-road mode - does MME have it? :) You can say you do not need it, but anybody in Illinois can say the same about handling twisties :). But everybody definitely will feel acceleration and charging speed.
 
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