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Mark thanks again for the instructions and thanks to everyone involved for the excellent work.

I am OCD about keeping my original shocks completely original. With that in mind does anyone have the part number for the black cap on top of the shock mount that we need to modify to fit the Koni's? I have done a long search and have not found anything.

I have all the other parts on order.

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Hey Lou, that plastic cap comes with the shock mount and not available separately. I doubt you would find anything like that since it is most likely made specifically for that shock mount.

Since you want to keep the OEM shocks original, you should buy the upper mounts and modify them however they are expensive and you can easily put them back on the shocks. You would have to do two things to make them fit. Since the hole in the upper mount was drilled out larger, the OEM shock will no longer mount properly without installing a tight washer over the shock rod to allow it to mount properly again. I don't have that washer size but can get it for you if you ever want to put them back. Also you would need a small rubber plug to cover the top hole in the black cap. It is totally doable to get the upper mounts to fit back on the OEM shocks. For the expensive price of purchasing those upper mounts, I think it is best to use the ones off the OEM shocks. If you ever need a set of OEM shocks untouched, let me know. I have a few sets laying around you can have.
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I updated my first post with a parts list and instructions for adapting Koni shocks to the rear of the Mach-E (non PE). #1
I am generally in the driver's seat, and the suspension feels stiff but it doesn't bother me. I rarely have a back seat passenger, but when I do, she complains bitterly, so I am very tempted to try this. It sounds like fun, but on the other hand I'm kinda lazy...

Either way, Mark:
Ford Mustang Mach-E UPDATED: Replacing Rear Shocks: Reducing the rear end bounce. 1681049543755

And thanks to Erik, Anton, and Lee too.
 

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I’m all set to pull the trigger on a suspension upgrade.

Has anyone ridden in both a car with the Konis and the KW Coilovers, and could comment on which provides a more comfortable ride?

I know the KWs are more expensive but that’s ok.
 
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I’m all set to pull the trigger on a suspension upgrade.

Has anyone ridden in both a car with the Konis and the KW Coilovers, and could comment on which provides a more comfortable ride?

I know the KWs are more expensive but that’s ok.
As of right now, no one has ridden in a car with both the Koni's and KW coilovers. There have only been 5 people that have had the Koni's and none have ridden in a car with the KW's.

I don't like the fact you are looking for a "comfortable" ride because that is not what we have accomplished here. If you feel a less bouncy, more firm ride is comfortable then ok. But if you are looking for a cushy Lincoln ride, then these Koni's won't help you and I highly doubt the KW's will either.
 

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As of right now, no one has ridden in a car with both the Koni's and KW coilovers. There have only been 5 people that have had the Koni's and none have ridden in a car with the KW's.

I don't like the fact you are looking for a "comfortable" ride because that is not what we have accomplished here. If you feel a less bouncy, more firm ride is comfortable then ok. But if you are looking for a cushy Lincoln ride, then these Koni's won't help you and I highly doubt the KW's will either.
From what I have read in the various KW threads, bounce is eliminated but it isn't a cushy ride. Just like you said. It is firm and "sporty".
 


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Thank you for the testing and research that everyone did.

I just ordered all the parts to do the swap on my 23 GT.
 
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Thank you for the testing and research that everyone did.

I just ordered all the parts to do the swap on my 23 GT.
Very much looking forward to your experience with them.
 

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Not to get off topic, but as far as I can see the KW’s arnt gas charged, so I expect them (the back at least) to react the same as the Vikings did. With that little bit of hang time between compression to rebound. The only thing that really does is make the tires a little louder over harsh flat changes, like expansion joints. Most probably would never notice but my AS3’s were quite a bit louder with Viking/QA1’s than the stock shocks or Koni. Totally depends on the tires though. The AS3’s made a ‘wap’ type sound, like driving over a lane reflector. The Conti’s (which are wider and softer than the AS3’s) make much less of a wap. Pilot PS4’s make pretty much no sound, to the point you have to try to listen for it. I did all my road tests with the audio off. I got very in tune with the rattles of things lol.
 

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As of right now, no one has ridden in a car with both the Koni's and KW coilovers. There have only been 5 people that have had the Koni's and none have ridden in a car with the KW's.

I don't like the fact you are looking for a "comfortable" ride because that is not what we have accomplished here. If you feel a less bouncy, more firm ride is comfortable then ok. But if you are looking for a cushy Lincoln ride, then these Koni's won't help you and I highly doubt the KW's will either.
Hi Mark,

Understood, I get that we have to be realistic about the Mach-E limitations, and I wasn't one of those asking for an Aviator-like ride. It was a comparative question of which setup had the better ride quality (especially over expansion joints).
 

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As of right now, no one has ridden in a car with both the Koni's and KW coilovers. There have only been 5 people that have had the Koni's and none have ridden in a car with the KW's.

I don't like the fact you are looking for a "comfortable" ride because that is not what we have accomplished here. If you feel a less bouncy, more firm ride is comfortable then ok. But if you are looking for a cushy Lincoln ride, then these Koni's won't help you and I highly doubt the KW's will either.
So long story short, there is still a harsh impact felt over a sharp bump but the expansion joint oscillation is gone with the Konis??
 

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Firm. Not harsh. Harsh is also subjective. Harsh to me is "did something snap when we hit that pothole?" Granted this isn't a great comparison. But my level of harsh might not be in the same ball park as yours.

I was able to dial out that harsher impact with the Vikings. But in return I got more tire and mechanical noise. I was doing that with 0 compression and 17 clicks of rebound. So there was no compression in play a the rebound was basically maxed. You can tune those shocks better, but you're getting into valve packs, oil and the tools to do so. Plus the approx $600 for the shocks and mounts. But between Mark and myself we have 4 pairs of them.

The Koni's are firmer than stock, but not by much. If you get down to Chandler I'll give you a ride, just let me know. Goes for basically anyone that is in the area that doesn't want to sink the money without a test drive. Though I'm pretty sure most on this forum spent $60k+ and never drove the car until it was on the way home.

I'd equate the firmness of the Koni's to a Cayman/Boxster. It's not jarring. The help is in stopping the continuation of it. So it's 1 bump. Not 1 bump and the the car shakes 2 or 3 times.

I also have a set of stock upper mounts and bump stops 'for sale'. Predrilled mounts (didn't pre-drill the cap but can) Poof, these went fast
 
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Firm. Not harsh. Harsh is also subjective. Harsh to me is "did something snap when we hit that pothole?" Granted this isn't a great comparison. But my level of harsh might not be in the same ball park as yours.
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UPDATE ON BUMPER STOPS:

I am going to add this info to the first post but wanted to also share it here. There is a difference between the GT and all non GT bumper stops. The OEM bumper stop I was working with were from the GT shocks. They are the ones below with the white plastic collar on top.

Ford Mustang Mach-E UPDATED: Replacing Rear Shocks: Reducing the rear end bounce. IMG_5048


As I had stated, if you want to use these, remove the white plastic collar and place the bumper stop into the Koni metal cap.

Ford Mustang Mach-E UPDATED: Replacing Rear Shocks: Reducing the rear end bounce. IMG_5050


Or purchase the Steeda bumper stops and do the same thing.

Ford Mustang Mach-E UPDATED: Replacing Rear Shocks: Reducing the rear end bounce. IMG_5044


I came across a non-GT shock with a different bumper stop. It is taller and has a much smaller hole which will not easily fit onto the rod of the Koni shock. Therefore if you have anything but a GT, you should purchase the Steeda bumper stops. Personally, I would purchase the Steeda bumper stops no matter what model you have.

This is what the non-GT bumper stop looks like.

Ford Mustang Mach-E UPDATED: Replacing Rear Shocks: Reducing the rear end bounce. IMG_5099
 
 




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