US EV incentive rumored to increase to $10,000 [CLOSED DUE TO VIOLATION OF NO POLITICS RULES]

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Isn't MME made in Mexico???
Mexico and Canada are both in America (North American subset, along with the United States). My Focus RS was made 96% in Germany.





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Mexico and Canada are both in America (North American subset, along with the United States). My Focus RS was made 96% in Germany.
Yes but it's not really German unless your getting it 'Maintained(aka repaired)' on a monthly basis like a 'Real' German vehicle!
 
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Yes but it's not really German unless your getting it 'Maintained' on a monthly basis like a 'Real' German vehicle!
It was maintained, but mostly for the "Younited States of 'Merica"-made headliner (that's the 4%).
 

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One would hope that they change the language to allow that.. but there's no way of knowing what's being discussed behind closed doors.

There's a thread about Ford Corporate watching this forum. Ford - get the lobbyists to make sure the Mach-E does not get excluded from the future tax incentive! Thanks 👍🏼
The UAW will also lobby that rebates only apply to "American made" vehicles. Part of the selling point is creating jobs in America.

UAW is already mad at Ford for ignoring a contract agreement to build EVs in Ohio when Ford recently shifted new EV projects to Mexico without negotiating with the union.

UAW criticizes Ford plan to build new vehicle in Mexico, not Ohio
 
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They won't be able to get these types of pie in the sky proposals through. Joe Manchin will not vote for them as written. The best they can hope for is the $7500 for all manufacturers, and it looks like they will probably slip in an US manufactured requirement (which no politician will publicly come out against) which will make the Mach E ineligible.
I guess this goes back to the specific language in bill that eventually gets put forward. Will "Made in America" = "Made in the USA"? Because if so, then yes the Mach-E would become ineligible.

But if "Made in America" means any vehicle made in North America, then the Mach-E would (should) not be affected.

We need answers!
 

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Automakers (and other manufacturers) made multi-billion dollar investments in plants in Mexico and Canada based on NAFTA. It would seem very unfair to penalize them now for decisions made due to past government policies. Ford is a domestic manufacturer and I'm sure has plenty of lobbying clout, so it would make sense to me that "made in the Americas" could be a good compromise and include cars made in Mexico and Canada. Time will tell.
 

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A Tesla Model Y with $10k discount is ~$40k fully loaded (without FSD). A comparable Mach-E premium after Tax credit is $48k. I don't think that's favorable for Ford or the Mach-E.
 

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When politicos say " American Made", they don't mean Mexico or Canada. They mean USA.
What politicos say and mean can vary widely, depending in large part on which way the wind is blowing at that exact second. :cool:
 

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What politicos say and mean can vary widely, depending in large part on which way the wind is blowing at that exact second. :cool:
Bottom line: they are not trying to please unions in Mexico.
 

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Good for us, bad for the country.🤔
The infrastructure is way more extensive than EV credits. FWIW it's definitely good for country. Every analysis indicates an ROI in the high teens or low twenties for most of the projects. That ROI would make most CEOs wet their panties. Making things more compelling, while the yield curve has shifted up a bit recently, the interest rate on 10-30 year Treasurys is 1.5%-2.5%. Doesn't take a genius to figure out rebuilding infrastructure is a great idea.
 

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Mexico and Canada are both in America (North American subset, along with the United States). My Focus RS was made 96% in Germany.
When someone says "american made" they typically mean made in the United States. Technically all of North and South America are "America", but why would the government want to give preference to Mexican and Canadian made vehicles...that would make no sense. The government can not give give preference on tax credits to American companies, as the would be akin to illegal government subsidies.
 

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The infrastructure is way more extensive than EV credits. FWIW it's definitely good for country. Every analysis indicates an ROI in the high teens or low twenties for most of the projects. That ROI would make most CEOs wet their panties. Making things more compelling, while the yield curve has shifted up a bit recently, the interest rate on 10-30 year Treasurys is 1.5%-2.5%. Doesn't take a genius to figure out rebuilding infrastructure is a great idea.
yup.

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That totally slipped my mind that the Mach-E is built in Mexico!.. I read "American Made EV's" and immediately thought Ford=American Made.

Good catch!
Although with NAFTA (replaced by USMCA last year), there may be some technicalities that would allow cars manufactured in Canada or Mexico to count. Not sure what the real answer is, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a definitional loophole regarding "American Made" in there somewhere.
 

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