VW ID.4 Unveiled Today

[Woeo]

ID3 is rear wheel drive. I have driven one and the ride is very good, but the interior is very cheap looking.

As cheap as a M3?

 

[Marcel]

As cheap as a M3?

Yes....even less attractive, smal touchscreen and cheap seats. I AM a long time VW fan but this is sub standard and will not be my next car. That will be a Mach-E

 

[FredT]

Out of Spec did a Q&A video after a media drive in the ID.4 recently in Detroit.


There is also some Mach-E news in the video. He mentions media drives will be happening soon with initial reviews coming in mid-December.

I was so hoping that he'd be able able to talk about the Mach-e sooner. Oh well.

He had some interesting comments about the US version of the ID.4 not getting a heat pump. He doesn't think it's a big deal.

 

[JayTee]

Yes....even less attractive, smal touchscreen and cheap seats. I AM a long time VW fan but this is sub standard and will not be my next car. That will be a Mach-E

Isn't the ID3 a pretty inexpensive car for an all electric?

 

[Marcel]

Isn't the ID3 a pretty inexpensive car for an all electric?

In the Netherlands a ID3 full options is almost more expensive than a MME SR RWD with TP Plus.......................the ID3 is only slightly less than a ID4 first edition

 

[Marcel]

There is NO FWD option!

Der VW ID.3 hat Heckantrieb. Dazu ist an der Hinterachse eine permanenterregte Synchronmaschine mit einer Leistung von bis zu 150 kW (204 PS) und einem maximalem Drehmoment von 310 Nm eingebaut. Die Höchstgeschwindigkeit des Fahrzeugs ist elektronisch auf 160 km/h festgelegt.

 

[FredT]

It's RWD. No FWD in an ID.3 or ID.4. Take a look at Kyle's video to see what he says about FWD vs RWD in electrics.

 

[jhalkias]

You have to rethink the paradigm when you are talking about a BEV vs. an ICE car and FWD. There is no engine over the front wheels in a BEV, and the weight is more evenly distributed with a skateboard design. Many podcasts I have watched or listened to say that FWD on a BEV is a big mistake due to the torque and oversteer of the electric motors. A RWD BEV may be just as good in the snow as a FWD ICE vehicle. But the ideal version for us in the North is probably AWD.

 

[EVer]

The ID3 is also FWD in base version which makes it good car for winter vs. AWD.

You have to rethink the paradigm when you are talking about a BEV vs. an ICE car and FWD.

+1

Besides, AWD is generally superior to FWD in winter, EV or otherwise.

 

[JayTee]

In the Netherlands a ID3 full options is almost more expensive than a MME SR RWD with TP Plus.......................the ID3 is only slightly less than a ID4 first edition

It seems like you're comparing a fully loaded ID3 to basic versions of other cars.

Looking at the three countries covered on EV database.org, The ID4 averages about 60% more expensive than the ID3, and the Mach E short range rear wheel drive averages about 85% more expensive.

For the ID4, I am using the first edition because that's the only one listed. So, it's not apples to apples, but the ID3 is a much less expensive car than either of those.

 

[Marcel]

It seems like you're comparing a fully loaded ID3 to basic versions of other cars.

Looking at the three countries covered on EV database.org, The ID4 averages about 60% more expensive than the ID3, and the Mach E short range rear wheel drive averages about 85% more expensive.

For the ID4, I am using the first edition because that's the only one listed. So, it's not apples to apples, but the ID3 is a much less expensive car than either of those.

I have had a reservation for a ID3, with a 58 kW battery and full options it is more than 50000 euro, the new ID4 with a 77 kW battery and full options is 57000 euro, what am i missing? I do have quotes for them and if i was still in the market for a VW it would be the ID4. But instead i am going for a MME with compensation for not making the 2020 deadline and wil pay near 52000 euro.

So not only the best deal, also the best looking car

 

[JayTee]

I have had a reservation for a ID3, with a 58 kW battery and full options it is more than 50000 euro, the new ID4 with a 77 kW battery and full options is 57000 euro, what am i missing? I do have quotes for them and if i was still in the market for a VW it would be the ID4. But instead i am going for a MME with compensation for not making the 2020 deadline and wil pay near 52000 euro.

So not only the best deal, also the best looking car

Was the car driven in the review above fully loaded? Were the interior materials the same as what you have an order for?

 

[Marcel]

The ID series are here very similar, main difference between trim versions are glass roof, seats, wheels and tech options. I don't know the EU differences but here in the Netherlands it is a bit silly when you buy a full options ID3, you are way better off with an ID4.