VW ID.4 Unveiled Today

[dbsb3233]

I guess it was more a hypothetical because I think I understand what I posted. My whole point was maybe I care less about about the range because I can charge quicker. I got the extended battery because I hate stopping on road trips and I might have to stop for 40 minutes or so to charge my MachE. But if I had a better charging curve, I could stop multiple times even with that lower range and still not have to charge to 40 minutes.

Overall my thoughts are just having a better charging curve means that range, at least in my opinion, doesn't matter as much.

Time is valuable, in my opinion. I'm not too concerned about paying for time I'm concerned about sitting there for those 5 minutes.

Yes, faster DCFC charging makes range less important, that's true. Somewhat.

Depends a lot on how far the trip is. Since charging on each end is often done at home and/or destination L2 overnight (where we don't care whether it takes 6 hours or 8 hours while we're sleeping), longer range can mean not having to stop at all, which is better than having to stop in the middle. But for a long trip that requires many stops, yes, 4 30 minute stops is roughly the same as 3 40 minutes stops. (I say "roughly" because there's always extra churn time to account for just getting on/off the interstate, that can easily add an additional 5-10 minutes each stop.)

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[dbsb3233]

It seems like the MME ER gets 50kWh in 30 minutes

That might be a little optimistic. Ford's claim is 10-80% (ER) in 45 minutes. That's 61.6 kWh, which extrapolates to 36.5 minutes for 50 kWh.

In theory, we should be able to shave a couple of minutes off that if it's in the early part of the charge curve where it's *supposed* to get peak power. But it's too soon to tell if that will really be the case. So far many example sessions are taking a long time to reach peak power (and even then, peak power has been well under 150 kW). Hopefully that gets better in the summer, but still, people have to drive in the winter too.

 

[silverelan]

Yes, faster DCFC charging makes range less important, that's true. Somewhat.

Depends a lot on how far the trip is. Since charging on each end is often done at home and/or destination L2 overnight (where we don't care whether it takes 6 hours or 8 hours while we're sleeping), longer range can mean not having to stop at all, which is better than having to stop in the middle. But for a long trip that requires many stops, yes, 4 30 minute stops is roughly the same as 3 40 minutes stops. (I say "roughly" because there's always extra churn time to account for just getting on/off the interstate, that can easily add an additional 5-10 minutes each stop.)

The 70% range of the MME (80% to 10%) and 80% range of the ID4 are pretty close. Probably doesn't make too much difference in terms of miles and maybe just a bit slower for the MME to charge.

 

[dbsb3233]

The 70% range of the MME (80% to 10%) and 80% range of the ID4 are pretty close. Probably doesn't make too much difference in terms of miles and maybe just a bit slower for the MME to charge.

Yep, they don't look much different. Although we'll just have to see what each gets in real life. We're already seeing that can vary quite a bit from the manufacturer's claims, and varies a lot by conditions. One model might handle the cold far better than the other, with better battery conditioning.

 

[silverelan]

Yep, they don't look much different. Although we'll just have to see what each gets in real life. We're already seeing that can vary quite a bit from the manufacturer's claims, and varies a lot by conditions. One model might handle the cold far better than the other, with better battery conditioning.

It's crazy to me that VW isn't bringing the ID4 heat pump to the US.

 

[BlueMach]

My First Edition remains nowhere to be seen... looking like I'll be heading over to VW as the local dealer says they can have a ID.4 on the lot by mid-March, and who knows where my Mach-E will be by then.

 

[macchiaz-o]

My First Edition remains nowhere to be seen... looking like I'll be heading over to VW as the local dealer says they can have a ID.4 on the lot by mid-March, and who knows where my Mach-E will be by then.

Congratulations! Best of luck with your ID.4.

 

[JellyBelly]

My First Edition remains nowhere to be seen... looking like I'll be heading over to VW as the local dealer says they can have a ID.4 on the lot by mid-March, and who knows where my Mach-E will be by then.

Hope they do have cars by mid march for you. I made day 1/hour 1 reservation but no updates on its build yet - so I dont think my VW4 order will be there by mid march. I am not buying it anyway.

 

[solarmoo900]

Hope they do have cars by mid march for you. I made day 1/hour 1 reservation but no updates on its build yet - so I dont think my VW4 order will be there by mid march. I am not buying it anyway.

Same here, would love if mid march was possible so i could compare but still no build date for me either

 

[trutolife27]

Id4 Mid march hmmm we will see.

 

[trutolife27]

 

[jlauro]

Doug score
Model Y Performance 68/100
Mach E Premium 65/100
ID4 50/100

 

[trutolife27]

Doug score
Model Y Performance 68/100
Mach E Premium 65/100
ID4 50/100

yep and he thinks the mache gt will score a 69 ?

 

[Scarpia]

The RWD ID.4 is too slow, but the AWD has 302 HP and I think will perform comparably to the RWD SR Premium Mach E I have on order. Not shutting that door yet. And the Ioniq 5 certainly looks interesting with its fast charging, although I think the higher trims will cost too much.

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