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What would make you cancel your Mach-E reservation and buy something else?

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1. Most important is cost of on-the-road charging. Unless Ford states and guarantees we will have charging rates (through EA I guess) of no more that $0.30 a kWh and no charge-by-time obviously, I am out. Period.
You don't have to use EA. You can visit any DCFC station you please. SoCal is littered with DCFC stations from various providers but if you're like most owners, 80-95% of your miles will be from your garage outlet.

If all you do is long range driving though, the Mach-E might not be the best choice for you. Ford offers the Escape PHEV and Fusion Energi PHEV if you'd prefer.
 

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That strikes me as an unfair analogy.

I'm considering buying the Mustang Mach-E, knowing that 99.9% of charging will occur at home.

I'm considering Electrify America (and all of the other charging networks) as an extra benefit that may enable certain road trips. On those rare trips, I'd happily pay their current rates.
I believe it's only unfair if your road trips are very infrequent. I have a Tesla 3 and my road trips, while not too frequent, would be a nightmare if it wern't for Supercharging - you would sit for hours at not-supercharging stations. Further, the thought of paying (say) $0.45 a kWh when an equivilant car (Tesla) would have been $0.28 would be like the feeling I have when I leave Barstow CA (gas maybe $3.50 gal) and drive up the hiway to Furnace Creek at Death Valley National Park where gas is maybe $7.50 gal. Honestly it would make me question why I bought this $55,000 e-Mustang in the first place !
 

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I believe it's only unfair if your road trips are very infrequent. I have a Tesla 3 and my road trips, while not too frequent, would be a nightmare if it wern't for Supercharging - you would sit for hours at not-supercharging stations. Further, the thought of paying (say) $0.45 a kWh when an equivilant car (Tesla) would have been $0.28 would be like the feeling I have when I leave Barstow CA (gas maybe $3.50 gal) and drive up the hiway to Furnace Creek at Death Valley National Park where gas is maybe $7.50 gal. Honestly it would make me question why I bought this $55,000 e-Mustang in the first place !
For a 45 minute charge:

Tesla charges .28c/kw to supercharge. That's about $17 to fill up (Model 3). The Mach E will be about $33 to fill up on an EA charger @ an average charge rate of .69c/min (47 minutes). Assume 20% of the time you're driving on road trips out of the 15,000 miles per year. Cost difference is this:

3,000 miles need to be DC fast charging
Ignoring each car's efficiency:
Tesla Model 3 would need 723KW - $203
Mach E would need 870KW - $487

So the difference is $285.00 per year. Hardly anything to write home about when comparing cost for costs, and I assumed the Mach E is 20% less efficient than a Tesla. If the Model Y and Mach E had the same efficiency, the price difference is even less by 20%.

Yes it will also cost more to charge it at home, but we're comparing a model 3 to a Mach E. The Mach E is more in line with the Model X/Y. A Toyota Prius is the cheapest gas car to drive, doesn't mean people wanna buy one. As more charging networks come out, the price will come down with supply.

Lets not forget a year ago Tesla tried to raise the rates to .36c/KW but faced huge backlash for that very reason, the price starts getting closer to gasoline. They will go up again eventually!
 
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Whydo you say that Tesla charging rates will go up again eventually? It's not that Tesla is losing money at $.28 - in SE California they (and I) pay the utility district IID $.13 a kWh for electricity! A > than 200% markup us not a money losing formula.
 

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Whydo you say that Tesla charging rates will go up again eventually? It's not that Tesla is losing money at $.28 - in SE California they (and I) pay the utility district IID $.13 a kWh for electricity! A > than 200% markup us not a money losing formula.
The Tesla chargers cost a LOT more than that, because of peak rates and demand charges. Your power bill can more than double the rates if you are pulling a significant amount of KW in a short period of time. When you DC fast charge, you are putting a load that’s the equivalent of the power it takes to run your entire home for 2-3 days in a matter of 45 minutes.
 

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Whydo you say that Tesla charging rates will go up again eventually? It's not that Tesla is losing money at $.28 - in SE California they (and I) pay the utility district IID $.13 a kWh for electricity! A > than 200% markup us not a money losing formula.
If the electricity just magical jumped to the car, maybe their paying $0.13 kw/h ;) however keep in mind that super chargers (and any DCFC system) requires significant electrical infrastructure. Commercial level installs of small substations level cost. WHile they amortize the capital, they definitely are more than $0.13/kwh :)
 

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This thread has rekindled my interest in the Polestar 2. TBH I like the profile more than the E...though based on the fact that my last three new vehicles were Volvos (last model V60, S90 and now XC90) I suspect I'm a bit biased. I want to love the E, but I don't...though I do think it's handsome.

The R1S is still my lead contender, but considering we just got the XC90 and have it for a 3 year lease I'm increasingly thinking a sedan/CUV would be the better option...plus it gives Rivian time to prove out the model and work out their kinks...

Options and choices - both a blessing and a curse.
I view the Polestar 2 in another segment since it's starting price is significantly higher than the Mach-E. It starts at $63k while the Mach-E starts at $45k.
 

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I view the Polestar 2 in another segment since it's starting price is significantly higher than the Mach-E. It starts at $63k while the Mach-E starts at $45k.
Also I believe the Polestar 2 is only 181 inches in length, would that classify it as a subcompact crossover (if it’s even consider part of the crossover category)
 

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I view the Polestar 2 in another segment since it's starting price is significantly higher than the Mach-E. It starts at $63k while the Mach-E starts at $45k.
$63K is the top end. They will be releasing lower priced options later on (kind of like Tesla), so pretty much in the same price category.
 

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Also I believe the Polestar 2 is only 181 inches in length, would that classify it as a subcompact crossover (if it’s even consider part of the crossover category)
It's a compact sedan, not a crossover, just 4 inches shorter than Model 3. It would be at the the top of the list for me if it were a crossover.
 
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If we go into a recession, I'll have to postpone buying it for at least a year. Maybe longer. The signs this week do *not* look good.
 

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I ordered a Mach-E (2) and a Y. The Mach-E has a much preferable screen arrangement. The Mach-E has better safety features (Blind spot monitoring in its mirrors where you are looking anyway) and (Rear intrusion alerts). Tesla only has blind spot and on the Y, you have to look into the middle of the car to see it.

Tesla called me in early March asking me to take my car that month (Calif. location would give them an inked sale in 1Q). I asked if they had these features yet, and they said no. I said no and deferred my order. No promises that the features would ever be there.

I do like dealer service with the Mach-E., but if the dealer "fools around" with the pricing (which is their normal past practice with hard to get cars), then I will cancel and take a Y.

UPDATED: 4/16/2020 - I called my dealer today to discuss pricing and whether the dealership was going to uplift it. He said that it would not be allowed! He said that Ford was insisting that the Mach-E be treated like the current GT is treated for pricing. By that, he explained that he, as a dealer, can not change the pricing provided by Ford on the current GT. Hooray!!!!
 
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UPDATED: 4/16/2020 - I called my dealer today to discuss pricing and whether the dealership was going to uplift it. He said that it would not be allowed! He said that Ford was insisting that the Mach-E be treated like the current GT is treated for pricing. By that, he explained that he, as a dealer, can not change the pricing provided by Ford on the current GT. Hooray!!!!
 



 










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