Why aren't Ford dealers required to have fast chargers?

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I'm confused by Ford selling EV's and not at least requiring their dealerships to have fast DC charging stations. I'm nearing delivery of my Mustang Mach-E GT and likely won't be able to make a trip from Saint Paul MN to Green Bay without hours of slow charging. There are tons of Ford dealers along that trip, and not one of them has a fast charger.
Most of them don't even have a 240v plug. This doesn't meet my expectations at all.

As I've driven this route for years
. I expected no problem for this route with all the dealers. Then I stopped by the dealerships and found NOTHING at theses dealership to fill in the charging gaps. Does anyone else expect more from FORD dealerships?

 

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I'm confused by Ford selling EV's and not at least requiring their dealerships to have fast DC charging stations. I'm nearing delivery of my Mustang Mach-E GT and likely won't be able to make a trip from Saint Paul MN to Green Bay without hours of slow charging. There are tons of Ford dealers along that trip, and not one of them has a fast charger.
Most of them don't even have a 240v plug. This doesn't meet my expectations at all.

As I've drive this route for years
. I expected no problem for this route with all the dealers. Then I stopped by the dealerships and found NOTHING at theses dealership to fill in the charging gaps. Does anyone else expect more from FORD dealerships?
For the same reasons not every Ford dealer is required to have a gas station? As a shareholder, I do not see a business case for Ford spending on DC chargers.
 

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Do I expect more from Ford dealers...nope. Hard enough to get them to install Level-2's (they should have a few as they are required to be an "EV certified" dealer).

Do I want them to do better....sure.

Before you discount a dealer for not having any chargers, check plugshare first:
https://www.plugshare.com/
 

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A DCFC is approximately 15-20x the cost of L2, so it doesn't seem practical if dealers don't sell many EV. Maybe when the F150 starts selling it may be considered due to the large battery.

Based on the info here, a common dealership runs on 110kBTU, which is about 32 kW.
https://www.electricchoice.com/business-electricity/car-dealerships/
 
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Yeah, I have ALL the apps. Hwy 29 from Saint Paul to Green Bay is a EV dead zone. Wausau WI is about half way and has NOTHING, fast outside of Tesla.
240v is about as good as it gets. Green Bay is also empty for fast chagers, luckily I can stay overnight and get back to fully charged.


Do I expect more from Ford
Do I expect more from Ford dealers...nope. Hard enough to get them to install Level-2's (they should have a few as they are required to be an "EV certified" dealer).

Do I want them to do better....sure.

Before you discount a dealer for not having any chargers, check plugshare first:
https://www.plugshare.com/
dealers...nope. Hard enough to get them to install Level-2's (they should have a few as they are required to be an "EV certified" dealer).

Do I want them to do better....sure.

Before you discount a dealer for not having any chargers, check plugshare first:
https://www.plugshare.com/
 


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If chevy dealers can do it there is no reason why ford can't do it.
 

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If chevy dealers can do it there is no reason why ford can't do it.
DCFC's at Chevy dealers are about 50kW...not exactly fast.
 

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OP, you need to use better resources to plan your route. You have no issue on your trip. EA is in Eau Claire, and there is 50kw charging in Custer.

Requiring dealers to spend the huge money for DC fast charging isn't unheard of, but it would be 50kW. Many Harley Dealers have them, because they had to so they can sell the electric bikes.
 

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There absolutely is a business case. I'm not saying they should be free but if you don't have chargers in non-urban areas why would 40% of Americans ever buy EV's. That argument makes no sense.

For the same reasons not every Ford dealer is required to have a gas station? As a shareholder, I do not see a business case for Ford spending on DC chargers.
 

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There absolutely is a business case. I'm not saying they should be free but if you don't have chargers in non-urban areas why would 40% of Americans ever buy EV's. That argument makes no sense.
No, that's why $7.5B was just committed by the federal government. Private businesses cannot solve the problem alone.
 

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Agreed. We bought ours with 40% charge and thought we could go to lunch and come back with at least 80% not knowing they only had a level 1. Having a DCFC would make the traditional dealer buying process a little more tolerable.
 

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Dealer is supposed to charge it to 100%. You paid for a full charge.
 

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I'm confused by Ford selling EV's and not at least requiring their dealerships to have fast DC charging stations. I'm nearing delivery of my Mustang Mach-E GT and likely won't be able to make a trip from Saint Paul MN to Green Bay without hours of slow charging. There are tons of Ford dealers along that trip, and not one of them has a fast charger.
Most of them don't even have a 240v plug. This doesn't meet my expectations at all.

As I've driven this route for years
. I expected no problem for this route with all the dealers. Then I stopped by the dealerships and found NOTHING at theses dealership to fill in the charging gaps. Does anyone else expect more from FORD dealerships?
I'm with the OP on this one. They need to have a fast charger at least so they can help debug when people have issues fast charging.

 

 
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