Why the Mustang Mach E is better than the Tesla Model Y

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Ya, I’m hoping Ford can get it right. I could really sense the frustration from Kyle in his video. He had a lot more patience than me.
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And as someone (Kyle maybe?) pointed out, it's far easier to design a charge network to work dependably with only your own proprietary products than it is to get it to work dependably with dozens of others. Tesla = Apple in that regard. While CCS networks are like Windows and Android -- they have to work with nearly everyone's EVs. That's much, much harder.
 

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And as someone (Kyle maybe?) pointed out, it's far easier to design a charge network to work dependably with only your own proprietary products than it is to get it to work dependably with dozens of others. Tesla = Apple in that regard. While CCS networks are like Windows and Android -- they have to work with nearly everyone's EVs. That's much, much harder.
The Apple comparison is a good one. I said it in another thread, but one analogy is that EA (CCS in general) is like a homebuilt PC where not everything works as you might expect.
 

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I agree with them on the demographics issue - cannot imagine many 35 yo buying Mach E, even despite Mustang name - it's just way too conventional and not enough kick in the guts (maybe on purpose?). GT will probably be more popular with the younger generation but there will be bigger money barrier there.
 

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That would be unfair, IMO. Tesla and GM already got their full $1.5B buyer subsidies while Ford and the others have only cashed part of theirs yet, strategically waiting for better battery tech.

Tesla/GM leveraged theirs against the competition early, Ford/etc should be able to leverage theirs again Tesla/GM now.
Personally...
unfair is subjective. To Ford/etc, yes. To the environment and the EV movement...no. Not to be all “save Mother Earth” but I would rather see people who relied on the tax credit to purchase an EV get another chance vs buying another ICE
 


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Personally...
unfair is subjective. To Ford/etc, yes. To the environment and the EV movement...no. Not to be all “save Mother Earth” but I would rather see people who relied on the tax credit to purchase an EV get another chance vs buying another ICE
You right. Elon Musk has just seen his net worth decline by $27B. It's totally unfair that he shouldn't get a bailout.
 

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It's another speculation :)

What is not speculation is that the most of the buyers of Mach E are people of 40+ and far beyond. I was at 3 demos sessions and saw the audience (and it was pretty crowded, so, I could get the idea of the age distribution). Also, if you think young people are looking more for luxurious interior than for kick the guts acceleration (I mean - supposedly when they will be choosing between MY and MME) - well... than there is no point to discuss anything :)
 

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You right. Elon Musk has just seen his net worth decline by $27B. It's totally unfair that he shouldn't get a bailout.
And the most accurate inference award goes to...shutterbug!!!

to reiterate... the renewal of the tax credit would make it more affordable, thus more buyers of BEVs. Not to mention, this would spark more competition and competitive pricing as a result
 

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to reiterate... the renewal of the tax credit would make it more affordable, thus more buyers of BEVs. Not to mention, this would spark more competition and competitive pricing as a result
This is definitely possible.

It is also conceivable that mfrs will raise base prices by the amount of the incentive, and no additional EVs are sold than would be under current rules.

Third possibility is somewhere in between.

Free market.....does not always react the way we want/expect.
 

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This is definitely possible.

It is also conceivable that mfrs will raise base prices by the amount of the incentive, and no additional EVs are sold than would be under current rules.

Free market.....does not always react the way we want/expect.
fact
 

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It's another speculation :)

What is not speculation is that the most of the buyers of Mach E are people of 40+ and far beyond. I was at 3 demos sessions and saw the audience (and it was pretty crowded, so, I could get the idea of the age distribution). Also, if you think young people are looking more for luxurious interior than for kick the guts acceleration (I mean - supposedly when they will be choosing between MY and MME) - well... than there is no point to discuss anything :)
Something like half of Mach-E buyers are between 30-49. There's a poll from last year where we talked about this. @Mach-E VLOG also has demographic stats on his Youtube channel he can probably share.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/age-of-mach-e-owners-leasers.270/
 

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This is definitely possible.
Possible, sure. Likely, nah.
It is also conceivable that mfrs will raise base prices by the amount of the incentive, and no additional EVs are sold than would be under current rules.

Third possibility is somewhere in between.

Free market.....does not always react the way we want/expect.
Just as Tesla and GM lowered the prices, when the credits disappeared, they'll raise them when they're back. Truly free market reacts as expected, eventually. If you try to manipulate it, the results may be unpredictable, or at least contrary to expectations.
 

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