Wyoming attemps to ban EVs [CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS]

[phil]

I was referencing the working together part instead of tearing each other down. The 2 party system worked when the leaders within the party tried to work together. It's been many years since the middle were the people the leaders tried to cater to. It keeps shifting further away from the middle and there is no pathway back to the center that I see.

Democracy has always been an experiment and I believe it's failing. I don't know what the answer is, but it's not this anymore.

You said a mouthful, Scooby. I agree 100%.

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[EasyPass]

Political banner for the weak minded. Read to end of bill to see it's only talking points.

You don't have to go back very far in recent events to see that "talking points" turned into real judicial actions. If it comes be in WY will it affect me directly. Highly unlikely, but there are those that will proclaim that freedoms are being strangled by regulations while others will call it progressive governance.

"One man's liberty is another man's tyranny" -- Anonymous

 

[Blue highway]

Honestly, as politically polarizing as EVs can sometimes be, I'm shocked this forum doesn't turn into a political dumpster fire far more often. I guess it helps that everyone here is generally pro-EV, but obviously there are still some opinions here *gestures around wildly*

I suspect that EV's are actually less polarizing than assumed.

Notice how quickly Tesla supposedly went from darling of the left to darling of the right... yet it's impossible to see that in the sales trajectory... just in the minds of political types.

 

[Hammered]

They're doing this as an inverse virtue signaling to the states claiming they're going to ban ICE sales.

Here's lithium pricing... yes, the bottom line is zero

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and that was with a little bump in EV production vs ICE production numbers. In just 2 years it 10x'd. What about other minerals, let's see...

Wow, where are those going to come from? Who has the magic mine generation wand?

The fact of the matter is that the market is going to drive transition, not govt, let alone state govts. The market has always driven technological changes. You bought a computer, you bought a smart phone, you bought an EV. Not because you were forced to, but because you wanted to. You did it, not the govt.

 

[KevinS]

The fact of the matter is that the market is going to drive transition, not govt, let alone state govts. The market has always driven technological changes. You bought a computer, you bought a smart phone, you bought an EV. Not because you were forced to, but because you wanted to. You did it, not the govt.

Fuel efficiency standards would like to have a word with you.

Mandates are a thing that creates a market opportunity for businesses. CAFE was enacted in the mid-70's in the U.S.

Honda and Toyota took off in the states in the 70's/80's because they offered fuel efficient, reliable cars whereas US automakers were struggling to meet the new pollution standards.

 

[Hammered]

Fuel efficiency standards would like to have a word with you.

Mandates are a thing that creates a market opportunity for businesses. CAFE was enacted in the mid-70's in the U.S.

All that did was force manufacturers to play games as there was always loopholes like avg efficiency across product offerings as a whole generating those cheapo shitboxes nobody would be caught dead in. High gas prices do more to nudge the populace than gas guzzler taxes on new vehicles that the future owners don't have to factor it.

Honda and Toyota took off in the states in the 70's/80's because they offered fuel efficient, reliable cars whereas US automakers were struggling to meet the new pollution standards.

The chinese are coming.... it won't be pretty for the auto industry incumbents in the states.

 

[Mach1E]

Interesting that Wyoming is taking that stance when neighboring Idaho is using its government infrastructure money to build an EV corridor for tourists to visit Yellowstone park which is 90% in Wyoming.

Again, they don’t want more tourists.

And an EV driving through Yellowstone? (Let alone thousands of them?) that would be a hard pass.

Hundreds of miles through the wilderness, millions of tourists visiting per year, and only 1 hotel in the whole park.

I don’t think Yellowstone will be BEV friendly anytime in the near future.

They do have like 4 lvl 2 chargers spread throughout the park. You’re braver than I if you take your BEV there.

 

[randomvoice]

Lol no one cares about a state with less folks than many mid-tier cities. They'll be a great dump yards for my secondary ICE cars eventually.

 

[ElectrikPony]

The industry that provides lithium will replace the industry or at least seriously cut into the industry that drills oil net profit.

I can already see the fight of fracking vs mining lithium, and which is worse for the environment. It matters not though what will win is which group has more money to disprove the other group and Lobby govt to get the laws changed in their favor.

 

[DennisD]

Lol no one cares about a state with less folks than many mid-tier cities. They'll be a great dump yards for my secondary ICE cars eventually.

Being from Nebraska, we actually pride ourselves in not having that many people. I can't count how many times people that move in from the East and West Coast talk about how friendly we are here in comparison. I would guess through fewer people to deal with and less stress, we find that we like it the way it is and there is no need to bad mouth each other. Let the Big Cities figure out on their own what they want to do with their garbage (both people and stuff). It will cost a pretty penny if you want to dump your ICE cars here.

Oh, and we have the most valuable resource of all. It is called clean Water.

 

[Motomax]

I was referencing the working together part instead of tearing each other down. The 2 party system worked when the leaders within the party tried to work together. It's been many years since the middle were the people the leaders tried to cater to. It keeps shifting further away from the middle and there is no pathway back to the center that I see.

Democracy has always been an experiment and I believe it's failing. I don't know what the answer is, but it's not this anymore.

I think playing the middle is to unpredictable for them, they are worried about losing out on all that free money. If everyone is going for the middle there’s no need to lobby.

The first thing they need to do is overturn the “donations are free speech” ruling and get corporations and hedge funds out of politics. Then we can go back to the middle ground where it literally makes the most sense for everyone.

Side note, I think what Wyoming did is hilarious. Well played for sure, I fully support their intended message.

 

[ElectrikPony]

To those that have mentioned we need to get rid of “donations are free speech”. Speech was never free.

There are consequences. Look at Kanye and every time he says something anti-Semitic how it costs him revenue.

Greed unfortunately is ingrained into society. That’s why socialism never worked.

 

[Motomax]

To those that have mentioned we need to get rid of “donations are free speech”. Speech was never free.

There are consequences. Look at Kanye and every time he says something anti-Semitic how it costs him revenue.

Greed unfortunately is ingrained into society. That’s why socialism never worked.

My comment has Nothing to do with actual speech. It has to do with what allows corporations to make unlimited indirect political donations in the US.

 

[Say Watt]

OMG, what the HELL is it with WalMart and fast chargers. On our drive from Northern Mo to Milledgeville, GA 80% of the chargers were at WM. Talk about boring stops with no restaurants, etc.

Walmart has advantages. They have a big parking lots with extra space. They have really BIG wires supplying power to the complex. Semi-captive audience with limited options. Minimally invasive infrastructure with the most efficient cost/benefit.

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