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What produced the image in this screenshot, wise one?

ChatGPT with Dall-E integrated...

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Dall-E produced the image, not ChatGPT. You may have *asked* ChatGPT to do it, but Dall-E produced the image.

And thanks for the sarcasm, appreciate it....
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Dall-E produced the image, not ChatGPT. You may have *asked* ChatGPT to do it, but Dall-E produced the image.

And thanks for the sarcasm, appreciate it....
When you go to Walmart, the store more than likely didn't produce said product but was the middle man if you will.

I would guess you could say the same with ChatGPT.

In any event, I think we should maybe leave the "semantics" alone. At the end of the day, who really cares? You could be both viewed as technically correct. ;)
 

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When you go to Walmart, the store more than likely didn't produce said product but was the middle man if you will.

I would guess you could say the same with ChatGPT.

In any event, I think we should maybe leave the "semantics" alone. At the end of the day, who really cares? You could be both viewed as technically correct. ;)
I'm just trying to educate, not rain on anyone's parade. This forum, on occasion, discusses some pretty complex stuff, and precision matters. Semantics matter. We have Engineers here who explain how things work with precise language. If you use kW and kWh interchangeably someone will likely correct you. There is a difference between the two.

Now that AI has entered the mainstream, it's probably a good idea to understand how it works, just like you want to understand how your Mach-E works. You'd correct someone who was misinformed about the Mach-E, right?
 

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I'm just trying to educate, not rain on anyone's parade. This forum, on occasion, discusses some pretty complex stuff, and precision matters. Semantics matter. We have Engineers here who explain how things work with precise language. If you use kW and kWh interchangeably someone will likely correct you. There is a difference between the two.

Now that AI has entered the mainstream, it's probably a good idea to understand how it works, just like you want to understand how your Mach-E works. You'd correct someone who was misinformed about the Mach-E, right?
If the scenario proves that what someone said is not correct, then yes.

FadeOutLines, in this example actually was correct and you were also correct. Neither one of you were wrong per se so the "dispute" is moot. No correction is needed but you did point out the semantics of the operation.

ChatGPT is the vessel and DALL E is the driver. ChatGPT indirectly was a contributor to these images as a vessel and DALL E is the plugin that made the magic happen.

Once again, I appreciate you pointing this out but I am still not understanding why you feel compelled to point this out? To my understanding, FadeOutLines knows this along with you?

One thing that I do know from this thread is that pretty cool stuff can be done at relative ease thanks to ChatGPT um I mean DALL E. :p
 


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If the scenario proves that what someone said is not correct, then yes.

FadeOutLines, in this example actually was correct and you were also correct. Neither one of you were wrong per se so the "dispute" is moot. No correction is needed but you did point out the semantics of the operation.

ChatGPT is the vessel and DALL E is the driver. ChatGPT indirectly was a contributor to these images as a vessel and DALL E is the plugin that made the magic happen.

Once again, I appreciate you pointing this out but I am still not understanding why you feel compelled to point this out? To my understanding, FadeOutLines knows this along with you?

One thing that I do know from this thread is that pretty cool stuff can be done at relative ease thanks to ChatGPT um I mean DALL E. :p
Get ready….

I pointed it out because the title is misleading. Strictly speaking, ChatGPT can’t draw anything - it is a language model. It can only respond to linguistic prompts with words.

DALL-E can only respond to text prompts with images - pretty cool ones in fact :cool:

Both use the same kind of UI for input - a text box. So, given both use the text that someone types in said text box to “reply” back to you, OpenAI simply made it simple to combine their two different software applications into one UI - I don’t have an Enterprise account so I can’t see how it works, but I can tell you the pedestrian way is cumbersome. If I want to use ChatGPT I need to be in the ChatGPT web app. If I then want to generate an image with DALL-E I need to *switch* web apps to do It. It’s a pain in the ass.

It seems the plug-in solves that - OpenAI has made the Enterprise version of ChatGPT smart enough to understand if you want ChatGPT to respond to your text prompt (“write a review of Catcher In The Rye) or if you are asking for an image (”Draw an Mach-e in the style of the Group of Seven”), in which case (under the covers I assume) it passes your request for an image to DALL-E in the same way you’d do it if you were using the DALL-E web app. It’s just a fancy shortcut.

Bottom line though is they are as different from each other as Word is to Excel. They have things in common, but Word is not Excel, and vice versa.

And someone in a previous post was already confused, and asked ChatGPT to draw them an image, which it can’t do, as they found out.

Bottom line is without the DALL-E plug-in OP would not have been able to generate *any* of these images using a ChatGPT prompt. Because ChatGPT doesn’t generate images.

I like being corrected when I’m wrong - it’s how I learn. I also like to educate when I can, because there is nothing more awesome than learning something new.
 

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Get ready….

I pointed it out because the title is misleading. Strictly speaking, ChatGPT can’t draw anything - it is a language model. It can only respond to linguistic prompts with words.

DALL-E can only respond to text prompts with images - pretty cool ones in fact :cool:

Both use the same kind of UI for input - a text box. So, given both use the text that someone types in said text box to “reply” back to you, OpenAI simply made it simple to combine their two different software applications into one UI - I don’t have an Enterprise account so I can’t see how it works, but I can tell you the pedestrian way is cumbersome. If I want to use ChatGPT I need to be in the ChatGPT web app. If I then want to generate an image with DALL-E I need to *switch* web apps to do It. It’s a pain in the ass.

It seems the plug-in solves that - OpenAI has made the Enterprise version of ChatGPT smart enough to understand if you want ChatGPT to respond to your text prompt (“write a review of Catcher In The Rye) or if you are asking for an image (”Draw an Mach-e in the style of the Group of Seven”), in which case (under the covers I assume) it passes your request for an image to DALL-E in the same way you’d do it if you were using the DALL-E web app. It’s just a fancy shortcut.

Bottom line though is they are as different from each other as Word is to Excel. They have things in common, but Word is not Excel, and vice versa.

And someone in a previous post was already confused, and asked ChatGPT to draw them an image, which it can’t do, as they found out.

Bottom line is without the DALL-E plug-in OP would not have been able to generate *any* of these images using a ChatGPT prompt. Because ChatGPT doesn’t generate images.

I like being corrected when I’m wrong - it’s how I learn. I also like to educate when I can, because there is nothing more awesome than learning something new.
Get Ready...

Let's say you take your MME to a Dealership because it is not running correctly. Your Dealership can't seem to find the problem so they call in a specialist to help with the repair. The Specialist came in and repaired the issue.

You get the Bill from the Dealership that your car was fixed. You then dig deeper into the Bill and notice that it was farmed out by another entity and they were the one's that actually physically repaired said job. You are okay with it because your car now works and the Dealership was basically the vessel for said repair.

Your neighbor is having the same issue and they ask where you got your car repaired. You state that it was your local dealership that you got it repaired at. Now while your local dealership did not physically repair it, they were the place where you took it to get repaired.

Semantics.

The Dealership took your car in and made the car function again no different than getting a subscription from ChatGPT and getting a rendered drawing using DALL E through the use of a Plugin.

You are debating a point that is moot. ChatGPT was used as an indirect conduit (just like the dealership) and assisted in making the magic happen via DALL E. So if you want to get into the weeds, ChatGPT farmed it out and they can be viewed as the entity that made it happen. They brought in the specialist to repair/make the action happen. ;)

The more you dig, the more you seem to be on the "not right" side of this debate.
 

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Less nerdy semantics, more cool car pics!

How about a retro Mach E?

Or an Eleanor Mach E

Mach E Bullet

Mach E Mach 1 (or just call it a Mach1E ?) Preferably based on a 1969 in white with black hood and red side stripes.

For inspiration-
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Less nerdy semantics, more cool car pics!

How about a retro Mach E?

Or an Eleanor Mach E

Mach E Bullet

Mach E Mach 1 (or just call it a Mach1E ?) Preferably based on a 1969 in white with black hood and red side stripes.

For inspiration-
IMG_1102.jpeg
Well…. It’s certainly an attempt


Ford Mustang Mach-E Delete IMG_0897
 

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Get Ready...

Let's say you take your MME to a Dealership because it is not running correctly. Your Dealership can't seem to find the problem so they call in a specialist to help with the repair. The Specialist came in and repaired the issue.

You get the Bill from the Dealership that your car was fixed. You then dig deeper into the Bill and notice that it was farmed out by another entity and they were the one's that actually physically repaired said job. You are okay with it because your car now works and the Dealership was basically the vessel for said repair.

Your neighbor is having the same issue and they ask where you got your car repaired. You state that it was your local dealership that you got it repaired at. Now while your local dealership did not physically repair it, they were the place where you took it to get repaired.

Semantics.

The Dealership took your car in and made the car function again no different than getting a subscription from ChatGPT and getting a rendered drawing using DALL E through the use of a Plugin.

You are debating a point that is moot. ChatGPT was used as an indirect conduit (just like the dealership) and assisted in making the magic happen via DALL E. So if you want to get into the weeds, ChatGPT farmed it out and they can be viewed as the entity that made it happen. They brought in the specialist to repair/make the action happen. ;)

The more you dig, the more you seem to be on the "not right" side of this debate.
There's nothing to debate. Turn off the DALL-E plugin and see how many pictures you get. None. The average person can't ask ChatGPT to generate an image for them, only Enterprise customers can. So it isn't the same for everyone, which is confusing.

Using your example, if my dealership doesn't have access to the same "specialist" your dealership has I don't get the same result as you. Which is confusing, because you said your dealership was able to fix it, but mine was not. That little detail about access to a specialist is important.

If "no specialist = no fix", that's the same as "no plugin = no pictures".

I'm not trying to be "right" here, I'm trying to get people to understand the nuance of how it works. I'm saying the nuance matters, you are saying it doesn't.

Now let's get back to seeing some cool AI-generated Mach-E images :)
 

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It avoids copyright infringement by mixing things together to create something new. Not necessarily great, lol, just new.
Try to mix my 69 Mach 1 with my Mach E.
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