PAAKL: What a difference a phone makes

[NorthlandPhil]

iPhone 16e - PAAK works well enough that I am now trusting it on trips out of town.

Still have occasional glitches where door won't open until I hit the button several times. I suspect my glitches are due to my closing FordPass app when I'm not using it. My guess is that when I open the app it takes a bit for it to connect.

I close the app out of habit because the car is constantly clicking and whirring when I walk around in the garage. And for better LVB management.

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[Chuck]

it's not a personal attack on YOU, just your assertion that a PAAK failure is "rare". You should learn the difference..

I speak only my own
personal experience. You speak channeling the voices of the forum.

Don't tell me that my experience isn't valid.

 

[Chuck]

So, you believe these people are lying to get attention?

Well, I don't.

Now on the other side of the coin, do I think that the problems with PAAK getting into the "serious" range is very rare? The answer is yes. But you aren't going to convince people that have had problems with PAAK to "just don't worry about it".

It is a personal decision, and neither is wrong.

For me, carrying the FOB isn't a problem at all, so I see no reason why I need to put up with even mirror problems.

It is a purely personal decision that works for me.

There are nuances at times to get PAAK working. Most people aren't tolerant enough to learn or understand those nuances and they throw their hands up in the air and proclaim PAAK a failure.

In 4.5 years, that's 54 months, I've had to use the backup password less than a handful of times. And one of those was when my phone was in the house and I was too lazy to go get it. (It should be noted that I religiously test the backup password monthly.)

You can continue to put your faith in folks who give up at the first sign of trouble (God, I hope they're not in our military) but I'll put my faith in my personal experience and my ability to solve problems .

 

[ipca204]

I speak only my own
personal experience. You speak channeling the voices of the forum.

Don't tell me that my experience isn't valid.

lol.....

 

[ipca204]

There are nuances at times to get PAAK working. Most people aren't tolerant enough to learn or understand those nuances and they throw their hands up in the air and proclaim PAAK a failure.

In 4.5 years, that's 54 months, I've had to use the backup password less than a handful of times. And one of those was when my phone was in the house and I was too lazy to go get it. (It should be noted that I religiously test the backup password monthly.)

You can continue to put your faith in folks who give up at the first sign of trouble (God, I hope they're not in our military) but I'll put my faith in my personal experience and my ability to solve problems .

" there are nuances at times to get paak working"??? Shouldn't it just work the same way, every time, like a...I don't know......a FOB?

 

[Chuck]

" there are nuances at times to get paak working"??? Shouldn't it just work the same way, every time, like a...I don't know......a FOB?

Yeah, it should. But it works fine for me. Why is that so hard for you to swallow?

 

[ChrisO]

There are nuances at times to get PAAK working. Most people aren't tolerant enough to learn or understand those nuances and they throw their hands up in the air and proclaim PAAK a failure.

In 4.5 years, that's 54 months, I've had to use the backup password less than a handful of times. And one of those was when my phone was in the house and I was too lazy to go get it. (It should be noted that I religiously test the backup password monthly.)

You can continue to put your faith in folks who give up at the first sign of trouble (God, I hope they're not in our military) but I'll put my faith in my personal experience and my ability to solve problems .

I have a different perspective on listening to what people say. Yes, there are always the "complainers", but as a software developer I have learned to listen to the "oh that can't possibly be true experiences (at least from what I believe to be true)", because in fact lots of time they have led me to obscure bugs.

And it isn't always about someone "just giving up", different people have different skill levels in different areas. If this was some obscure feature or such, I would think that maybe some "skill building" was in order, but for something as generic as PAAK, the average person shouldn't have to be figuring out "nuisances".

 

[ipca204]

Yeah, it should. But it works fine for me. Why is that so hard for you to swallow?

It's not hard for me to swallow. But when a forum member comes and starts a thread about just how great and flawless it is (when it is clearly not) others may be sucked in to believe the hype. Even in your first post you said you had issues with it with your S22 Ultra (a Samsung flagship phone) and even said " iffy on my Galaxy S22 Ultra. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it took about 15 seconds to work once I got near the car, sometimes it never connected. So, I returned to usinng the kefob."

 

[Exordium01]

" there are nuances at times to get paak working"??? Shouldn't it just work the same way, every time, like a...I don't know......a FOB?

I do resent Ford a bit for not using the Apple CarKey API which would allow for FOB like operation with iPhones as it reprograms a NFC chipset that works while the phone is turned off, but there is no Android analogue.

Here’s the bottom line: Google sucks at software. They were at the right place at the right time for search and have been able to ride the coattails of their ad empire, but Android is a plague that holds back this kind of stuff. Apple offers most of their APIs as standards and Google never signs on so we end up with hacky incomplete solutions.

 

[schuman1048]

My PAAK worked perfectly for three months, then it didn't. It hasn't worked since. I think there was an Apple update that spurred the working to stop. I've been told by the Ford folks that I should expect an update to my '25 MME and it will start to work again. I can also expect un update to my iPhone in the near future. Maybe that will help. I loved the PAAK feature while it worked, and I'm very disappointed that it stopped. I'm not sure why Ford can't figure this out. The PAAK works every time on my child's Model 3.

 

[Vitesse]

Yes, all my phone relates issues (so far) have been phone related. Generally, the phone gets in a weird state and a phone reboot fixes the issue. Most recently (not PAAK related), my hands free wasn't routing audio to the car (even though it indicates BT connection) - and a reboot corrected.

A great feature of PAAK is the password backup. So, even without an operable phone, I can "login" to my MME and go READY.

 

[ChrisO]

Yes, all my phone relates issues (so far) have been phone related. Generally, the phone gets in a weird state and a phone reboot fixes the issue. Most recently (not PAAK related), my hands free wasn't routing audio to the car (even though it indicates BT connection) - and a reboot corrected.

A great feature of PAAK is the password backup. So, even without an operable phone, I can "login" to my MME and go READY.

Having a backup password is a great idea. I don't get why Ford limits it to PAAK use. I would certainly like to have it with FOB use.

 

[Space_Pony]

Having a backup password is a great idea. I don't get why Ford limits it to PAAK use. I would certainly like to have it with FOB use.

I think you can use the password if you're having problems with your fob. I've used the password when I had neither the fob or phone. Just set it up and you should be able to use it. It's not that hard to do.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Having a backup password is a great idea. I don't get why Ford limits it to PAAK use. I would certainly like to have it with FOB use.

You can just set up a PaaK and not rely on it. The passcode can then be created then used whether you have the phone on you or not.

 

[ChrisO]

You can just set up a PaaK and not rely on it. The passcode can then be created then used whether you have the phone on you or not.

Yes, I know, but that is just it, the problems I was having seemed to stem from PAAK enabled.

I will have to give it another try and see what the exact problem was because I don’t remember exactly what the problem was. I do know that I tried it twice and came to the same conclusion.

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