Higher used Mach-E prices are the "New Normal"

[Chuck]

California isn't the US.

But California is where more than 40% of all EVs are sold. So, it's the leader in the market and market trends. By far. No other state comes even close.

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[RickMachE]

But California is where more than 40% of all EVs are sold. So, it's the leader in the market and market trends. By far. No other state comes even close.

That's nice.

Posting unsubstantiated numbers as facts, without challenging them, is how everyone gets to repeat them as facts.

Ford has thousands of dealers. 90% of them aren't charging ADM on the Mach-E. Fact.

 

[Chuck]

That's nice.

Posting unsubstantiated numbers as facts, without challenging them, is how everyone gets to repeat them as facts.

Ford has thousands of dealers. 90% of them aren't charging ADM on the Mach-E. Fact.

OMG, it would appear that Michigan doesn't have Google.

You're correct, my facts are wrong. California doesn't have 40% of the EV sales, it has 42%.

 

[RickMachE]

OMG, it would appear that Michigan doesn't have Google.

You're correct, my facts are wrong. California doesn't have 40% of the EV sales, it has 42%.

You win. Since someone said on a forum that 90% of Ford dealers nationwide are charging ADM, it must be true.

 

[DennisD]

The only thing I know if that’s price gouging is this example… when a store in FL marks up their bottled water by 500% or something similar during a state of emergency like during a hurricane because people need it.

A dealer charging over MSRP because the market warrants it isn’t price gouging. It’s supply and demand.

Forbes would/does not agree with your assessment.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/raulel...ouging-rather-than-inflation/?sh=491d262ab60a

I fail to understand your logic that this is not viewed as price gouging?

Whether it is water or a car, if it is sold with leverage to the buyer because of supply shortages that is the definition of price gouging. Plain and simple.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/price-gouging

Once again, Ford is upset with the Dealerships that are doing this practice of charging outrageous ADM's on these MME's and because people are participating in this charade, they will keep doing this.

I am not suggesting that this is illegal but for the life of me, I have no idea why people would suggest that they support such a practice to take advantage of the situation.?

I will leave you with one last thought..........

If you were stuck on the side of the road and were distressed, I hope someone that comes by doesn't see that you have very few options at hand. If they do, I am sure you wouldn't see anything wrong with them charging you $1,000 for a ride into town. After all, we are not talking water. ?

The "market" is dictating this scenario and there would be nothing wrong of taking advantage of the "shortage" of options on the table. Supply and demand. You have no other options (supply) and you need a ride into town (demand). ?? No gouging seen here. You could walk the 20 miles.

 

[mkhuffman]

Forbes would/does not agree with your assessment.

Therefore we don't need government to pass a law or do anything to penalize dealerships who may add ADM. Right?

Whether it is water or a car, if it is sold with leverage to the buyer because of supply shortages that is the definition of price gouging. Plain and simple.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/price-gouging

That is a made up definition by people who like to blame others when bad things happen.

If you were stuck on the side of the road and were distressed, I hope someone that comes by doesn't see that you have very few options at hand. If they do, I am sure you wouldn't see anything wrong with them charging you $1,000 for a ride into town. After all, we are not talking water. ?

The "market" is dictating this scenario and there would be nothing wrong of taking advantage of the "shortage" of options on the table. Supply and demand. You have no other options (supply) and you need a ride into town (demand). ?? No gouging seen here. You could walk the 20 miles.

I would walk 20 miles before I would pay $1000 for a ride. Seriously, you like strawman arguments, don't you?

You exactly described how the free market works, So let's say some a-hole stops and tells me they will drive me to town for $1000. What do I say? "Yes"? What idiot would do that? In reality I would say "how about I pay for your gas?" Now any reasonable person would agree to that deal.

But if the a-hole asking for $1000 does not accept my counter offer, the next person stopping will. More likely, the next person stopping will be someone who actually cares about people and is willing to help for free. There are actually many people like that.

So is there something wrong with asking $1000 for a ride? No! Because all I have to do is say "no" and wait for the next person who actually makes a reasonable offer. That a-hole gets nothing, and the next person gets something. They either feel good for helping another human being, or they make enough to pay for gas back to town. Win-win. That is how the free market really works, dude. In the real word anyway.

You have done a good job proving my point. Thanks!

 

[kennethjk]

I can’t believe I keep reading this stuff, someone should shut it down, I know I should stop reading it but can’t help myself

 

[mkhuffman]

I can’t believe I keep reading this stuff, someone should shut it down, I know I should stop reading it but can’t help myself

As long as nobody is offended, I think we are OK. I am trying to be very nice with my disagreements. In fact, I would love to have a beer with anyone in this forum. We can talk about our cars, which is why we are here anyway.

 

[DennisD]

Therefore we don't need government to pass a law or do anything to penalize dealerships who may add ADM. Right?



That is a made up definition by people who like to blame others when bad things happen.



I would walk 20 miles before I would pay $1000 for a ride. Seriously, you like strawman arguments, don't you?

You exactly described how the free market works, So let's say some a-hole stops and tells me they will drive me to town for $1000. What do I say? "Yes"? What idiot would do that? In reality I would say "how about I pay for your gas?" Now any reasonable person would agree to that deal.

But if the a-hole asking for $1000 does not accept my counter offer, the next person stopping will. More likely, the next person stopping will be someone who actually cares about people and is willing to help for free. There are actually many people like that.

So is there something wrong with asking $1000 for a ride? No! Because all I have to do is say "no" and wait for the next person who actually makes a reasonable offer. That a-hole gets nothing, and the next person gets something. They either feel good for helping another human being, or they make enough to pay for gas back to town. Win-win. That is how the free market really works, dude. In the real word anyway.

You have done a good job proving my point. Thanks!

First you say there is no such thing as price gouging on anything and now you are suggesting a Dictionary Definition is made up. You provide a whole new meaning to "moving the goal posts" but I digress.

Free markets are usually driven by greed and greed usually leads to corruption.

Rules and Regulations usually provide guard rails for said corruption. In moderation, free markets can coexist with certain rules and regulations. It has for the last 100 years. Without the guard rails, our Free Markets would soon be crushed on their own weight. 1929 comes to mind.

While I could give many examples of why regulations are needed in many instances, I feel in this particular situation, it should be dealt within their own Company (Ford). Actually there are many companies that clamp down on this type of abuse but Ford (for now) seems to be steering clear of this and allowing it to happen. Bark and no bite.

The Dealerships that are charging 10K ADM are the A-Holes in this example.

The only real difference between you and me is that I don't like to deal with A-Holes, i.e. Dealerships that charge 10K ADM but you seem fine with certain A-Holes. (unless they are charging a mere 1K over what they should)

Too funny..........

 

[RickMachE]

Thread is about used prices... So much useless discussion.

 

[Astro19]

Hence the increases

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