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The best Ford Options Tier 0/1 rate only changed from 2.25% to 2.49% on the 2021’s (non-GTs).
What does it take to qualify for that? By financing 4yr options plan and $500 downpayment plus the $2500 cash rebate from Ford finance.... What should you expect?
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What does it take to qualify for that? By financing 4yr options plan and $500 downpayment plus the $2500 cash rebate from Ford finance.... What should you expect?
There's no simple answer to the qualification question, there are too many variables involved. It's not as simple as X FICO score with X amount financed = Y Tier, it just doesn't work like that.

Expect the dealer to ask you to fill out and sign a credit application. Have the dealer submit it to Ford Credit and see what scoring tier comes back (it comes back within 30 seconds if your bureau is not frozen/locked). Continue financing negotiations with the dealer.
 

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There's no simple answer to the qualification question, there are too many variables involved. It's not as simple as X FICO score with X amount financed = Y Tier, it just doesn't work like that.

Expect the dealer to ask you to fill out and sign a credit application. Have the dealer submit it to Ford Credit and see what scoring tier comes back (it comes back within 30 seconds if your bureau is not frozen/locked). Continue financing negotiations with the dealer.
Negotiation never happened. Dealer said "I got 20 people waiting for your car" .... That is the APR. I will contact Ford Credit as unlike the dealer, they don't get a markup advantage. So, perhaps ask Ford Credit to modify the rate or at least explain why they are about 1 point higher then they should be. The other variables would be nice to know, as the application was submitted to Ford in advance and it stated the estimated interest rate for my situation is 2.5 less then what the dealer offered as "this APR is from Ford, and it was written up on a xls spreadsheet not from Ford"
 

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Negotiation never happened. Dealer said "I got 20 people waiting for your car" .... That is the APR. I will contact Ford Credit as unlike the dealer, they don't get a markup advantage. So, perhaps ask Ford Credit to modify the rate or at least explain why they are about 1 point higher then they should be. The other variables would be nice to know, as the application was submitted to Ford in advance and it stated the estimated interest rate for my situation is 2.5 less then what the dealer offered as "this APR is from Ford, and it was written up on a xls spreadsheet not from Ford"
That’s a lot to unpack.

Ford Credit is not a direct lender so they cannot negotiate with the customer. No rate adjustment can be requested by the customer after the contract is signed.

The scorecard variables are complex and proprietary. Cannot go into details on that.

If you have excellent credit and the dealer is quoting you a rate that is 1 point higher than the program rates it’s because they added the extra point to make dealer reserve. Plain and simple.
 

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That’s a lot to unpack.

Ford Credit is not a direct lender so they cannot negotiate with the customer. No rate adjustment can be requested by the customer after the contract is signed.

The scorecard variables are complex and proprietary. Cannot go into details on that.

If you have excellent credit and the dealer is quoting you a rate that is 1 point higher than the program rates it’s because they added the extra point to make dealer reserve. Plain and simple.
That must have been what happened to me yesterday. I bought my Mach-E GT and they would only give me 3.4% on the Ford Option plan, even though my credit score is above 800. I went ahead and took it to get the $1,000 incentive. I had already checked with my credit union and they will refinance it at 2.09% for 72 months.
 


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That’s a lot to unpack.

Ford Credit is not a direct lender so they cannot negotiate with the customer. No rate adjustment can be requested by the customer after the contract is signed.

The scorecard variables are complex and proprietary. Cannot go into details on that.

If you have excellent credit and the dealer is quoting you a rate that is 1 point higher than the program rates it’s because they added the extra point to make dealer reserve. Plain and simple.
Exactly. Thanks for the info. One last thing. The dealer also said there is no pre-payment penalty but I should not refinance until after the fed tax credit as it would be treated as a used car and cause issues with the IRS. I wonder if I could pay the entire balance of the 4 year options off and keep the balloon in year 4 as my option to keep, get rid. That maneuver without prepayment would minimize the interest paid to however many months will have passed only.
 

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Your dealer is making this up.
Yep. I wish I had leverage to walk but the fact they sold it at msrp and no add-ons they were wanting to make money with the loan. I should have paid cash. :) I had my check book. They probably would have told me "oh we don't accept personal checks" . The bank is closed to verify... so ...
 

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Yep. I wish I had leverage to walk but the fact they sold it at msrp and no add-ons they were wanting to make money with the loan. I should have paid cash. :) I had my check book. They probably would have told me "oh we don't accept personal checks" . The bank is closed to verify... so ...
That's fine. You're better off doing Options over cash anyway so you can get the incentive. Feel free to pay the whole thing off or refinance at any point. It won't have anything to do with the tax credit.
 

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That's fine. You're better off doing Options over cash anyway so you can get the incentive. Feel free to pay the whole thing off or refinance at any point. It won't have anything to do with the tax credit.
Makes sense as the title is in my name and the issue with tax credit is solely with the title name change. This dealer puffing on several fronts and during the process -- that is told to the general population without truth is disturbing. I was told repeatedly I was the smartest buyer they had in a while asking all of these specific questions knowing if it doesn't make sense it isn't truth. Yet I was willing to put up with it all as a) I got the car and b) it was at MSRP whereas two other closer dealers are asking $6K minimum. Thanks for the replies. Appreciated. It is great to hear about everyones experiences and call out this untruth that for decades dealers have gotten away with.
 

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Exactly. Thanks for the info. One last thing. The dealer also said there is no pre-payment penalty but I should not refinance until after the fed tax credit as it would be treated as a used car and cause issues with the IRS. I wonder if I could pay the entire balance of the 4 year options off and keep the balloon in year 4 as my option to keep, get rid. That maneuver without prepayment would minimize the interest paid to however many months will have passed only.
The shht dealers say……
 

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That's fine. You're better off doing Options over cash anyway so you can get the incentive. Feel free to pay the whole thing off or refinance at any point. It won't have anything to do with the tax credit.
The loan being paid of has absolutely zero effect on the Fed tax incentive, but can effect the dealer's bottom line if paid off within 3 months. I'm going from memory here but I believe @hybrid2bev mentioned a long time ago that paying off the options before 3 months leads to a chargeback to the dealer for the options "cash back" incentive. So they are lying to you so you won't pay it off before 3 months so they don't get a chargeback.

Something to think about, depending how angry you are with them.
 

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The loan being paid of has absolutely zero effect on the Fed tax incentive, but can effect the dealer's bottom line if paid off within 3 months. I'm going from memory here but I believe @hybrid2bev mentioned a long time ago that paying off the options before 3 months leads to a chargeback to the dealer for the options "cash back" incentive. So they are lying to you so you won't pay it off before 3 months so they don't get a chargeback.

Something to think about, depending how angry you are with them.
Well not angry. Just concerning for the other folks that just believe it all. I expected this yet the one thing I wanted truth was to pay at MSRP and no add-ons. Got that. I can go either way, payoff or just refinance... I will await the first finance statement. Puffing, the legal term for lying as a sales person. Thanks for the info, I suspected confirmation of some kickback, but a chargeback... hmm.
 

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Tell me about it. 12/8 late picked up my order and was surprised by a higher APR on the Ford Options plan. Regionally selected they said despite my stellar credit. I will refi/ pay down if it bugs me too much later but online Ford 12/6 estimated 1/2 of what dealer claimed Ford Credit came up with on 12/8. When I tried to complain of a lower rate when the national avg (I looked) is actually that rate 4.94% plus the $2500 rebate for me was based on Ford options with merely a $500 downpayment. (the original deposit) The rep said. Well if you want to walk away.... We have no problem finding another buyer... Um nope I will deal with the $30/mo higher payment (keeping my cash and investing this time instead of putting it all down). The rates must have changed across the board but at least the $2500 was available. Some states its $1000. On the other hand, I did not get the CA EV discount as the dealership was not signed up yet. That was $750. Yet I got MSRP and no addon shananigans so who am I to complain. They typically add 5K of "goodies" to justify the ADM.
As an FYI, I ordered my car in Sept. and was told that option plan rebate was 2500 and int rate of 2.25 here in NY

i confirmed today that the option plan rebate and interest rate is available until my car comes in. It will not change And is price protected.
 

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Exactly. Thanks for the info. One last thing. The dealer also said there is no pre-payment penalty but I should not refinance until after the fed tax credit as it would be treated as a used car and cause issues with the IRS. I wonder if I could pay the entire balance of the 4 year options off and keep the balloon in year 4 as my option to keep, get rid. That maneuver without prepayment would minimize the interest paid to however many months will have passed only.
Sound like BS to me. A loan payoff has nothing to do with the fed tax credit
the only issue I would consider not paying it off is that after 3 years if you didn’t want the car you just give it back in lieu of paying off the balance of the note, around 24k, probably. If you pay off loan early you probably give up that right afforded you in the option p,an.
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