Any info on the 2027 Mach-E refresh?

[Carma]

So the plan is to lose money on every one.... But make it up in volume?

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[Kamuelaflyer]

The Mach-e outsells even the regular Mustang, it's not going anywhere. There is every reason to believe that it will be updated and incorporated into the UEV platform.

The ice Mustang doesn't lose money every time one is sold. The mach-e does, in fact, continue to lose money on every unit sold, regardless of whether it outsells the dinosaur powered mustang.

Ford doesn’t keep money losers around indefinitely.

 

[McSquashy]

As much as I’d love to see a second-gen Mach-E for 2027, I have serious doubts. My guess is Ford sticks with the current version for at least a couple more years before giving it the axe. Whether they replace it with another Mustang-branded EV is anyone’s guess at this point.

Personally, it would be a bummer not to have a next-gen Mach-E as an option when I’m ready to trade up, but it’s not the end of the world. There are already a couple of new EVs from other manufacturers that have really caught my attention, and I’m sure there will be even more options by the time I’m ready to start shopping.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

As much as I’d love to see a second-gen Mach-E for 2027, I have serious doubts. My guess is Ford sticks with the current version for at least a couple more years before giving it the axe. Whether they replace it with another Mustang-branded EV is anyone’s guess at this point.

Personally, it would be a bummer not to have a next-gen Mach-E as an option when I’m ready to trade up, but it’s not the end of the world. There are already a couple of new EVs from other manufacturers that have really caught my attention, and I’m sure there will be even more options by the time I’m ready to start shopping.

Ford does not publicly disclose specific profit or loss figures for the Mach-E nameplate. However, the Model e division reported significant EBIT losses of $5.1B in 2024 and $4.8B in 2025, and is expected to reach profitability around 2029. While this doesn't confirm that the Mach-E is "underwater," it makes it difficult to argue that the vehicle is a profit center at this stage.

Ford appears to be focused on improving the Mach-E's economics through incremental changes rather than a full redesign. This aligns with Jim Farley’s 2022 comments that the Mach-E could be updated without changing the body. We have seen this reflected in the 2025 and 2026 updates, which included software changes, new packages, and hardware changes, including heat pumps and larger radiators. The 2025 and 2026 changes were the model refresh.

There is currently no official public confirmation regarding a second-generation Mach-E. However, the absence of an announcement does not necessarily mean the model is being discontinued, as Ford often reveals new generations only months before production begins. Conversely, there is no solid public indicator that the vehicle is being phased out, as previous discontinuation notices for other models have ranged anywhere from 4 (The Escape) to 27 months (The Fusion).

- Model e: Continues to report significant financial losses.
- Mach-E: Profitability remains unproven publicly, though it is not confirmed to be a failing product.
- Product Plan: Evidence points toward ongoing refreshes rather than a new generation.
- Status: There are no official indicators for either a second-gen launch or a discontinuation at this time.

 

[dan_meh]

Ford does not publicly disclose specific profit or loss figures for the Mach-E nameplate. However, the Model e division reported significant EBIT losses of $5.1B in 2024 and $4.8B in 2025, and is expected to reach profitability around 2029. While this doesn't confirm that the Mach-E is "underwater," it makes it difficult to argue that the vehicle is a profit center at this stage.

We should also remember that many companies produced zero mission vehicles at a loss so that they could sell more profitable, giant gas, guzzling trucks. So you have to think about the Mustang Mach-e being sold as a package with the Ford Explorer ST together they needed to make a profit.

With the rollback of air quality standards, and CAFE standards, all these companies are unbundling their sales pairs. Now, Mustang mach e must be profitable as a standalone product. We all talk about how the $7500 tax credit is what is killing Mach-e profitability, but in the newest iteration on the tax credit, not as many people could receive it. I think it’s more likely that Ford is trying to compete now in a world where can’t take MME losses for the sake of selling more ST explorers.

Maybe in an environment where they wanted to sell more Mach e cars to offset gas guzzlers … maybe Ford would refresh the electric offering. But Ford rightly saw that they need to replatform and make the electric vehicle profitable on its own.

That step toward profitability, the model T moment, is with the UEV platform. I think it’s a sign of commitment that there will even be a 2027 MME.

 

[TheBaldFox]

Ford does not publicly disclose specific profit or loss figures for the Mach-E nameplate. However, the Model e division reported significant EBIT losses of $5.1B in 2024 and $4.8B in 2025, and is expected to reach profitability around 2029. While this doesn't confirm that the Mach-E is "underwater," it makes it difficult to argue that the vehicle is a profit center at this stage.

Ford appears to be focused on improving the Mach-E's economics through incremental changes rather than a full redesign. This aligns with Jim Farley’s 2022 comments that the Mach-E could be updated without changing the body. We have seen this reflected in the 2025 and 2026 updates, which included software changes, new packages, and hardware changes, including heat pumps and larger radiators. The 2025 and 2026 changes were the model refresh.

There is currently no official public confirmation regarding a second-generation Mach-E. However, the absence of an announcement does not necessarily mean the model is being discontinued, as Ford often reveals new generations only months before production begins. Conversely, there is no solid public indicator that the vehicle is being phased out, as previous discontinuation notices for other models have ranged anywhere from 4 (The Escape) to 27 months (The Fusion).

- Model e: Continues to report significant financial losses.
- Mach-E: Profitability remains unproven publicly, though it is not confirmed to be a failing product.
- Product Plan: Evidence points toward ongoing refreshes rather than a new generation.
- Status: There are no official indicators for either a second-gen launch or a discontinuation at this time.

Exactly this,.. I’m firmly off the belief that the individual Mach-E’s rolling off the line are absolutely making Ford a profit, it’s just that Ford is still, over all, under water on their EV development expenditures. Saying that they are sold at a loss is mere pedantry.

 

[Billyk24]

As much as I’d love to see a second-gen Mach-E for 2027, I have serious doubts. My guess is Ford sticks with the current version for at least a couple more years before giving it the axe. Whether they replace it with another Mustang-branded EV is anyone’s guess at this point.

Personally, it would be a bummer not to have a next-gen Mach-E as an option when I’m ready to trade up, but it’s not the end of the world. There are already a couple of new EVs from other manufacturers that have really caught my attention, and I’m sure there will be even more options by the time I’m ready to start shopping.

The new UEV platform is suppose to be cheaper in cost and we keep hearing more efficient. I assume that includes a smaller battery pack size (kWh). If the pack size is reduced to 60kWh but efficiency improves to 4 miles per kWh ( a 30% improvement from current 3.2?) will the range "number" be adequate? Would it make the current owners of a Mach E want to keep their vehicle longer?

 

[dan_meh]

The economics don’t support a major refresh of the MME.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I’m firmly off the belief that the individual Mach-E’s rolling off the line are absolutely making Ford a profit

You can believe whatever you like, but there’s no basis in reality for that belief.

 

[Maui]

You can believe whatever you like, but there’s no basis in reality for that belief.

Excluding the factories, line equipment and any tooling required. Probably

 

[Jimrpa]

One promise that never made it to fruition was the move to Android Automotive, which could be seen as a bellwether for Ford's plans for the Mach-E if one wants to see things in a certain way.

Personally, I'm pretty happy with Sync 4A, but then I've been conditioned by Ford to expect less and see 4A as being better than what came before it. I'm not really bothered by the reaction time of the menus, but the nav system could use a shot of ambition. (But compared to the nav system in my 2015 Explorer, it's much better)

I don't see any major changes ahead for the Mach-E until UEV comes out. The agreement with Tesla may force a J3400 charging upgrade in 2027, but that wouldn't affect my 2025, and it wouldn't even be a big factor in a future purchase.

I would love for there to be a 2nd gen Mach-E, but I wonder about that. Ford's focus on the truck platform over the SUV platform is odd to me, and I wonder if it doesn't show some marketing trend that I'm not aware of. Maybe they're just so impressed with the response to the Maverick, that they want to strike while that iron is still hot.

My guess is that there is a higher likelihood of a Ford EV version of the Lincoln Nautilus, built on the UEV platform. The edge-to-edge display is quite nice, and the form factor matches the small-to-midsize SUV trend that I think still has the majority of people's attention. If the Nautilus was available as a full EV, I don't think there would be a reason for the Mach-E (unless, of course, the Ford version of the Nautilus would be the 2nd gen Mach-E, which I think is unlikely).

Except for better/improved software, there isn't anything I can think of that a refresh would bring. It's not like they're going to redesign the door panels to give us real door handles, right?

Ford HAS moved to AA. They just haven’t bothered to do the major work required to implement AA for the current generation Mustang Mach-E. Personally, I think that’s a good thing because all AA is is a personal data harvesting and monetizing scheme. Ford should have gone with CarPlay ultra, but Apple could not get their act together.

 

[Jimrpa]

The Mach-e outsells even the regular Mustang, it's not going anywhere. There is every reason to believe that it will be updated and incorporated into the UEV platform.

The Mustang Mach-E looses ford something like $40K per vehicle (in the US). It’s kept alive because of demand in other markets.

 

[Jimrpa]

Not sure if it’s true

We should also remember that many companies produced zero mission vehicles at a loss so that they could sell more profitable, giant gas, guzzling trucks. So you have to think about the Mustang Mach-e being sold as a package with the Ford Explorer ST together they needed to make a profit.

With the rollback of air quality standards, and CAFE standards, all these companies are unbundling their sales pairs. Now, Mustang mach e must be profitable as a standalone product. We all talk about how the $7500 tax credit is what is killing Mach-e profitability, but in the newest iteration on the tax credit, not as many people could receive it. I think it’s more likely that Ford is trying to compete now in a world where can’t take MME losses for the sake of selling more ST explorers.

Maybe in an environment where they wanted to sell more Mach e cars to offset gas guzzlers … maybe Ford would refresh the electric offering. But Ford rightly saw that they need to replatform and make the electric vehicle profitable on its own.

That step toward profitability, the model T moment, is with the UEV platform. I think it’s a sign of commitment that there will even be a 2027 MME.

Not sure if it’s true, but I read that the government is developing new fuel economy standards that automakers won’t be able to exceed in a fleet-wide basis, and new minimum emissions requirements that all vehicles sold in the US will be required to produce

 

[Rigatoni]

Before a 2600 mile road trip I Just took in my car, I would have said, "eh, just keep the CCS port for now"... then I saw the reality of the current state of CCS chargers and now I say just "flush 'em all". The only reliable chargers I could count on for the whole trip were the Tesla chargers. I got so sick of getting off an exit and finding that most of the chargers were broken, for my return trip I went nearly Tesla-only. It was a much better experience. there was one reliable bank of CCS chargers I found on the ENTIRE trip, from a vendor called IONNA or something similar. Otherwise, I had issues with the charger being dead, not working with Ford's wallet/the card reader being non-functional, it was stupid. They also tended to be beat up, filthy, smashed up, etc. across all brands I saw. The ChargePoint ones were the worst offenders, but the EVGo/GM Energy ones were beat to shit too.

Every single time I'd snap the adapter into a Tesla cable and plugged it into my car, it would start to charge. Every single time. I hope Ford or someone partners with Tesla and starts replacing those beat to hell CCS chargers en masse. Now that the standard is set, the auto mfgs really need to start fixing this crap.

PS - trip was Michigan to Texas and back. I'm guessing if I'd been on one of the coasts I would have had a better experience as the cities are much closer together, but this Mach is the first and last car I'm buying with a CCS port. Two more years on my lease.

Also, besides the charging drama, the Mach E is an AMAZING road trip car. The seats were incredibly comfortable even driving 8-10 hours a day, the Carplay never failed (unlike every other car I've ever owned with Carplay where it would just disconnect once in awhile for no reason), the BlueCruise was zero stress and meant I'd show up much more well rested and less stress. Let me see more of the sights as well. As an aside, I do wish I could buy BlueCruise by week and not by month. It's not worth it for me to keep full time, but for road trips, it's worth every penny to just buy the time I need.

 

[DYohn]

Make an ultra-luxury version with a 550-mile solid state battery and call it a Lincoln Zephyr 2. Sell it for less than a Lucid Air and I'm in.

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