Message to Ford Developer

[AndyS_OSU]

Very first warning in the manual:

So I kinda hate this response. No offense to you.

Why have it if it doesn’t work? Why isn’t it labeled Beta? Why is it included in premium services that factor into the cost of the car? I had issues with BlueCruise as well where the car took a corrective measure to avoid something that was not on the road. Ford couldn’t reproduce the issue and instead pointed me to this same verbiage. Yet they expect us to pay for BlueCruise and let us be the Guinea pigs.

Before the apologists come in to the the chat, my children refuse to ride in my MachE now. My oldest cries every time she sees me pull up to pick her up until I assure her I won’t use any of the car’s features. Signature technologies they advertise

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[jav_eee]

So I kinda hate this response. No offense to you.

Why have it if it doesn’t work? Why isn’t it labeled Beta? Why is it included in premium services that factor into the cost of the car?
…Yet they expect us to pay for BlueCruise and let us be the Guinea pigs.

because profit and shareholder expectations.

and no offense taken. Maybe it’s because I’m a pessimist (or because I’m getting older and my “back in my day we got up to manually change the channels with the big knob on the cabinet TV” mentality is coming through) but I feel like no tech works 100%. I’ve only had my MachE for almost 3 months but I don’t use adaptive cruise, blue cruise, or auto climate because I want to be in control.

 

[ChrisO]

My take is these features are rated level 2 for a reason. This is probably the most riskiest time for these kinds of features. Where the driver is responsible for taking over at a moments notice but human nature says as you give less for the driver to do the less they will pay attention.

The manufacturers will use the fact that they have stated this that they aren’t responsible for the crash.

I just saw a video from “Dave takes it on” that he talks about China’s recent test of the safety features that are there for avoiding a crash in real world situations, and it wasn’t pretty.

 

[AndyS_OSU]

My take is these features are rated level 2 for a reason. This is probably the most riskiest time for these kinds of features. Where the driver is responsible for taking over at a moments notice but human nature says as you give less for the driver to do the less they will pay attention.

The manufacturers will use the fact that they have stated this that they aren’t responsible for the crash.

I just saw a video from “Dave takes it on” that he talks about China’s recent test of the safety features that are there for avoiding a crash in real world situations, and it wasn’t pretty.

I think they should just label it Beta and not charge us for those features.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I think they should just label it Beta and not charge us for those features.

You don’t have to pay for it. You also don’t have to use it even if you did pay for it. You’re also responsible for driving your car whether or not you se any ADAS feature. No Adas features on any manufacturers car negate your personal responsibility for what the car is doing.

 

[ChrisO]

I think they should just label it Beta and not charge us for those features.

What?? I know of a certain car company/CEO promised a feature, charged thousands for it, and stalled for years, and never provided the feature. In comparison this isn’t even close to being as misleading.

 

[AZBill]

You don’t have to pay for it. You also don’t have to use it even if you did pay for it. You’re also responsible for driving your car whether or not you se any ADAS feature. No Adas features on any manufacturers car negate your personal responsibility for what the car is doing.

Unless your name is Waymo. Just the other day I came across two of their driverless cars at the same intersection. They are quite common in Phoenix.

 

[ChrisO]

Unless your name is Waymo. Just the other day I came across two of their driverless cars at the same intersection. They are quite common in Phoenix.

Waymo cars are in a different league/level (4). This is where "safety" really meets the road.
With no driver in the car, then the responsibility now is on the company's shoulders, not the passengers.

Waymo cars have been driving in San Franciso since 2017 and have by proven to be safe.

You will notice this difference in approaches though. Waymo, careful rollout after extensive mapping of the area, and such. Tesla, use the drivers and the general public as beta testers with no restrictions of where they can use it And make sure the blame for the failure is on the driver.

 

[AndyS_OSU]

What?? I know of a certain car company/CEO promised a feature, charged thousands for it, and stalled for years, and never provided the feature. In comparison this isn’t even close to being as misleading.

Does another manufacture’s transgressions make Ford’s okay? I’ve never owed a Tesla and don’t plan on it so my autonomous driving expectations come from my 2021 MachE my 2023 BMW i4 and my 2023 MachE.

 

[ChrisO]

Does another manufacture’s transgressions make Ford’s okay? I’ve never owed a Tesla and don’t plan on it so my autonomous driving expectations come from my 2021 MachE my 2023 BMW i4 and my 2023 MachE.

No they don’t, you must have misunderstood what I was saying. Right now all of the manufacturers are hiding behind this loophole. If are going to use these features you need to be very aware of their limitations. These are dangerous times, especially for the uninformed.

 

[AndyS_OSU]

No they don’t, you must have misunderstood what I was saying. Right now all of the manufacturers are hiding behind this loophole. If are going to use these features you need to be very aware of their limitations. These are dangerous times, especially for the uninformed.

I understand what you’re saying I just think manufacturers should do better. Don’t make something a signature technology if it doesn’t work as you advertise without pages of warnings in the user manual.

As for uniformed, this is my 5th pure BEV since 2014. Like many of us here, I’ve taught plenty of sales people about the vehicle they were trying to sell me.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Unless your name is Waymo. Just the other day I came across two of their driverless cars at the same intersection. They are quite common in Phoenix.

Different automation level and very different equipment and redundancy requirements. Unless your name is Elon.

Took Waymo in SFO not terribly long ago. It was “interesting.”

 

[ChrisO]

I understand what you’re saying I just think manufacturers should do better. Don’t make something a signature technology if it doesn’t work as you advertise without pages of warnings in the user manual.

As for uniformed, this is my 5th pure BEV since 2014. Like many of us here, I’ve taught plenty of sales people about the vehicle they were trying to sell me.

I certainly think they should do better too.

 

[Chapron]

I think it should not go beyond level 2+. With level 3 and further on the road in the future, as the amount of autonomous cars raise, the only risk in traffic will be the non Level 3+ cars. Which means that we are all not driving cars our selves anymore in the future. (kinda dark thought)... For my generation, having and driving a car is freedom. However I enjoy BC very much.

 

[ChrisO]

I think it should not go beyond level 2+. With level 3 and further on the road in the future, as the amount of autonomous cars raise, the only risk in traffic will be the non Level 3 cars. Which means that we are all not driving cars our selves anymore in the future. (kinda dark thought)... For my generation, having and driving a car is freedom. However I enjoy BC very much.

In an ideal world we would go directly to all cars driving at level 4 with none of those crazy humans on the road.

One of the things that makes self driving cars so hard is dealing with unpredictable drivers.

I doubt that future generations will see it as a lack of freedom, they will still be able to the tell the car where to go. And they could party in the car with their friends while the car takes them to where they want go.

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