MobileEye Ditches Lidar Development

[voxel]

I'd also include BlueCruise with the constant disengagement. We have a grand total of 3 roads in Metro Vancouver that we can use hands-free BC with, and it SUCKS! I'll have it randomly COMPLETELY disengage not only the hands free, but shut off all lane keep assist randomly without warning on completely straight stretches of highway with no traffic around, gentle overcast, clean windshield, and clean roads with clear lines. I have a 2023.5 with BC1.3.

I was just on a road trip that was Hands-Free mapped for 95% of the journey. Vancouver to Kamloops on Hwy 1/Hwy 5. Theoretically I should have been able to be hands-free to the entire trip length until I took the exit in Kamloops, but I spent more time having to "take over" from Hands Free BC than I was able to spend hands free. BC is not able to handle anything more than a gentle curve before disengaging, which doesn't work when going through mountains, even on a divided 4 lane motorway. Yes, the map provided by Ford that shows the Mapped Roads, covers 95% of the limited-access highways I was on. The lane-keep in my old 2021 VW GLI could handle more curves before yelling at me. The FSD (Supervised) with the 2024 Model 3 handled the exact same road much better.

Also the FSD (Supervised) works in the rain, Blue Cruise does not, which isn't all that great given I live in a rainforest.

BC1.3 is a bit of a backwards step regarding disengagement. It's very aggressive on wanting your hands on the wheel and disengages during toll booths and certain sections of highway. Even more so than with 1.0, 1.1, etc.

FSD is not AP. Autopilot is terrible IMO.

You did not answer the question: does the Hyundai driver assistance system offer a hands-free mode?

im pretty sure Rivian does not offer hands-free.

Neither offer hands free in the US.

But that's not what LIDAR and these adaptive systems are for. The Hyundai/Kia lane centering has been spot on since 2021. Back in 2021, BlueCruise used to ping pong like a drunken sailor on the highways. BC 1.3 today is great but Ford has upped the nanny monitoring and now I get numerous "hands on wheel" and random disengagements.

I like BC but I use it less and less these days. It's best for long boring stretches of highway. For everyday use, I just want Hyundai/Kia lane centering and haptic detection on the steering wheel (Toyota and others do this - so it's not expensive).

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[1st_EV_2011]

I'd also include BlueCruise with the constant disengagement. We have a grand total of 3 roads in Metro Vancouver that we can use hands-free BC with, and it SUCKS! I'll have it randomly COMPLETELY disengage not only the hands free, but shut off all lane keep assist randomly without warning on completely straight stretches of highway with no traffic around, gentle overcast, clean windshield, and clean roads with clear lines. I have a 2023.5 with BC1.3.

I was just on a road trip that was Hands-Free mapped for 95% of the journey. Vancouver to Kamloops on Hwy 1/Hwy 5. Theoretically I should have been able to be hands-free to the entire trip length until I took the exit in Kamloops, but I spent more time having to "take over" from Hands Free BC than I was able to spend hands free. BC is not able to handle anything more than a gentle curve before disengaging, which doesn't work when going through mountains, even on a divided 4 lane motorway. Yes, the map provided by Ford that shows the Mapped Roads, covers 95% of the limited-access highways I was on. The lane-keep in my old 2021 VW GLI could handle more curves before yelling at me. The FSD (Supervised) with the 2024 Model 3 handled the exact same road much better.

Also the FSD (Supervised) works in the rain, Blue Cruise does not, which isn't all that great given I live in a rainforest.

Echoing what kitye said, there is something very wrong with your car. My BC drives through heavy rain and construction zones, has no problem with curves, etc.

 

[lifebythemile]

Echoing what kitye said, there is something very wrong with your car. My BC drives through heavy rain and construction zones, has no problem with curves, etc.

Does it give you hands free through heavy rain and construction, or does it want your hands on the wheel?

 

[Babbit]

Does it give you hands free through heavy rain and construction, or does it want your hands on the wheel?

I've driven through plenty of construction areas hands free. As long as there are clear lines for the cameras to see, it drives itself. I always keep my hands near the wheel in that spot though, especially with traffic.

 

[kltye]

Does it give you hands free through heavy rain and construction, or does it want your hands on the wheel?

I don't think I've had the combination of both heavy rain and construction, but it's worked for me for rain as well, hands-free. Now I've always had my hands on the wheel anyway, but it was still in hands-free mode.

 

[1st_EV_2011]

Does it give you hands free through heavy rain and construction, or does it want your hands on the wheel?

A year ago I traveled from Lansing to Grand Rapids, Michigan to attend GrrCon. On the way to Grand Rapids, there was very heavy rain and a lot of semi-truck traffic on I-96 westbound. Blue Cruise performed better than I did, as I had a difficult time keeping my hands off the wheel.

I have since learned to trust Blue Cruise. I have had two recent trips to the University of Michigan eastbound on I-96 and then southward on US-23.

During the first trip the weather was perfect. Blue Cruise told me to put my hands on the wheel for about three minutes total in the construction zone on I-96 eastbound near Lansing. On the way down US-23 to Ann Arbor, there was a lot of construction. Some of the Department of Transportation workers were literally within a foot or two of the edge of the road. This made me uncomfortable, so I manually took control away from Blue Cruise to ensure the workers' safety.

During the second trip, it rained hard on the way to Ann Arbor, and there was a lot of traffic. Blue Cruise had me put my hands on the wheel for roughly five minutes, and told me to drive (i.e. no adaptive cruise) for about a minute. The trip back was clear weather and Blue Cruise did 100% of it.

These drives were well over sixty minutes. For me, Blue Cruise has performed quite well during 85% of the drive time.

 

[music_cities]

Echoing what kitye said, there is something very wrong with your car. My BC drives through heavy rain and construction zones, has no problem with curves, etc.

I drove through the lower mainland (Vancouver area) last march and BC was terrible there. Like, really bad compared to Calgary area. A lot of the roads in the mainland have narrow shoulders, or bad turning radiuses, or poor line painting. But even on roads of the same standard construction as Alberta roads BC was really bad. I think it's a Vancouver problem.

 

[Jimrpa]

BC1.3 is a bit of a backwards step regarding disengagement. It's very aggressive on wanting your hands on the wheel and disengages during toll booths and certain sections of highway. Even more so than with 1.0, 1.1, etc.

FSD is not AP. Autopilot is terrible IMO.



Neither offer hands free in the US.

But that's not what LIDAR and these adaptive systems are for. The Hyundai/Kia lane centering has been spot on since 2021. Back in 2021, BlueCruise used to ping pong like a drunken sailor on the highways. BC 1.3 today is great but Ford has upped the nanny monitoring and now I get numerous "hands on wheel" and random disengagements.

I like BC but I use it less and less these days. It's best for long boring stretches of highway. For everyday use, I just want Hyundai/Kia lane centering and haptic detection on the steering wheel (Toyota and others do this - so it's not expensive).

I have no issues with excessive warnings, and I’ve had no unexpected “disengagements” (system turning off) in the vehicle I drive with BlueCruise 1.3. And there most certainly IS haptic feedback with Ford’s Lane Centering System.

 

[voxel]

I have no issues with excessive warnings, and I’ve had no unexpected “disengagements” (system turning off) in the vehicle I drive with BlueCruise 1.3. And there most certainly IS haptic feedback with Ford’s Lane Centering System.

No I'm talking about touch sensor based haptic and not the torque based one on the Mach-E.

You can drive with one finger touching the wheel or your knee/thigh gently against it on a Toyota/Hyundai/Kia. You have to jiggle the wheel on a Tesla/Mach-E/Rivian.

BlueCruise is one of the best ADAS but there are still major issues when it drops to regular adaptive cruise - like the numerous "keep your hands on the wheel" warning when my hands ARE touching the wheel and lane centering isn't perfect. In general, I would just prefer to have perfect lane-centering on all roads (local, highway) like the Hyundais.

The hands-free ADAS (BC) is only useful for long highway stretches and BC still doesn't understanding merging traffic. I have to take over to prevent the car from slamming into a merging car ahead.

As for disengagements... there are numerous. My multiple recent trips to the Space Coast to see rocket launches are a litany of disengagements. BC 1.3 is one step forward (auto lane changes) and one step back (excessive disengagements and nannies).

 

[Jimrpa]

No I'm talking about touch sensor based haptic and not the torque based one on the Mach-E.

You can drive with one finger touching the wheel or your knee/thigh gently against it on a Toyota/Hyundai/Kia. You have to jiggle the wheel on a Tesla/Mach-E/Rivian.

BlueCruise is one of the best ADAS but there are still major issues when it drops to regular adaptive cruise - like the numerous "keep your hands on the wheel" warning when my hands ARE touching the wheel and lane centering isn't perfect. In general, I would just prefer to have perfect lane-centering on all roads (local, highway) like the Hyundais.

The hands-free ADAS (BC) is only useful for long highway stretches and BC still doesn't understanding merging traffic. I have to take over to prevent the car from slamming into a merging car ahead.

As for disengagements... there are numerous. My multiple recent trips to the Space Coast to see rocket launches are a litany of disengagements. BC 1.3 is one step forward (auto lane changes) and one step back (excessive disengagements and nannies).

Sounds like we are using two different systems. I don’t have to “jiggle” the steering wheel (and never have, since I got the car). On a long drive from Philadelphia to Orlando in a BlueCruise 1.3 equipped vehicle, I didn’t encounter an excessive number of disengagements. To be honest, the most annoying thing was the periodic slow-downs for the curve control system.

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