Tesla HVJB issues?

[woody]

The NHTSA allowed and continues to allow Ford to get away with it.
Other than GM, have they ever allowed another manufacturer to not recall a defective part of any kind?
Any reason to buy NHTSA document/excuse?

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[woody]

All of the other companies w/ similar part failures were able to fix them.
Are you telling me Ford cannot hire an engineer to fix the problem? After this much time?
Ford has no business being in this business, if that is the case.
The longest thread here (probably ever) is the (and there are more) SSN HVBJB - 155 pages, 2,300+ entries.
And it is of no concern to Ford?

 

[stealthytolkien]

All of the other companies w/ similar part failures were able to fix them.
Are you telling me Ford cannot hire an engineer to fix the problem? After this much time?
Ford has no business being in this business, if that is the case.
The longest thread here (probably ever) is the (and there are more) SSN HVBJB - 155 pages, 2,300+ entries.
And it is of no concern to Ford?

It is a “family owned business”…give them a break!

 

[Mrn]

In the other brands I didn't notice any mention of high power mechanical contactors. Do they make use of high voltage/high current power transistors instead?

 

[Mrn]

I'll rephrase the question. Have any EVs done away with mechanical contactors and gone with solid state power control instead?

 

[SWO]

The NHTSA allowed and continues to allow Ford to get away with it.
Other than GM, have they ever allowed another manufacturer to not recall a defective part of any kind?
Any reason to buy NHTSA document/excuse?

NHTSA allows software fixes for safety issues all the time. The recall turns a safety issue (vehicle dying on the road - Stop Safely Now) into a warranty issue (Service Vehicle Soon).

In a perfect world Ford has enough spares to replace every HVBJB and I hope that happens at some point (I'm going to guess they extend the warranty on the HVBJB at some point like they did with the DPS6 DCT) but realistically it was an elegant solution to a big problem.

People come to forums when they have problems, so the signal to noise ratio is always going to be off. For every person here with a problem there's X just enjoying their car.

 

[kennethjk]

NHTSA allows software fixes for safety issues all the time. The recall turns a safety issue (vehicle dying on the road - Stop Safely Now) into a warranty issue (Service Vehicle Soon).

In a perfect world Ford has enough spares to replace every HVBJB and I hope that happens at some point (I'm going to guess they extend the warranty on the HVBJB at some point like they did with the DPS6 DCT) but realistically it was an elegant solution to a big problem.

People come to forums when they have problems, so the signal to noise ratio is always going to be off. For every person here with a problem there's X just enjoying their car.

And a lot of people will never come to a forum, such as my wife and many others.

if 50% are happy and 50% are unhappy, that’s not good for Ford, a lousy ratio.

sorry to disagree but it’s a shitty solution to a big problem. They said the part was not robust, in laymen’s terms, it’s a piece of shit and they know it.

 

[SWO]

And a lot of people will never come to a forum, such as my wife and many others.

if 50% are happy and 50% are unhappy, that’s not good for Ford, a lousy ratio.

sorry to disagree but it’s a shitty solution to a big problem. They said the part was not robust, in laymen’s terms, it’s a piece of shit and they know it.

If we want to get technical, I think they said the new part was "more robust" IIRC.

None of that is comforting if you're 300mi from home and get a SVS message, of course. My point is that a recall/stop-sale to replace HVBJBs they didn't have in May 2022 would have been a terrible choice.

 

[superdave80]

Other than GM, have they ever allowed another manufacturer to not recall a defective part of any kind?

My Kia Optima (along with other models) had a lawsuit over defective engines. The Kia 'fix' was software that would let you know that the engine was failing ahead of time, and THEN they would replace the engine. Sound familiar? OK, a little different cost when a whole engine vs. a relay is involved, but you get the idea.

Look, as much as we hate the relay problem on the Mach-E, manufacturers can't recall and repair EVERY possible bad part. There is going to be some give and take based on the known failure rate, cost of replacement, and the danger of what happens when a part fails.

 

[kennethjk]

My Kia Optima (along with other models) had a lawsuit over defective engines. The Kia 'fix' was software that would let you know that the engine was failing ahead of time, and THEN they would replace the engine. Sound familiar? OK, a little different cost when a whole engine vs. a relay is involved, but you get the idea.

Look, as much as we hate the relay problem on the Mach-E, manufacturers can't recall and repair EVERY possible bad part. There is going to be some give and take based on the known failure rate, cost of replacement, and the danger of what happens when a part fails.

They can and should when they tell you it’s a crappy part.

great sales promo

“we have installed a sub par part in your car , good chance it will brick, have no fear , we have given you software that may alert you ahead of time and power will be reduced and if you’re lucky your car won’t brick, you’ll just have a ruined vacation. Some dealers will take your car right away, others may make you wait 2 weeks until it’s determined that our crappy part has failed.

There is a decent chance your dealer where you car capped out may have a technician available or then again he might be on vacation enjoying himself instead of you

welcome to the Ford family of cars!”

 

[mkhuffman]

My Kia Optima (along with other models) had a lawsuit over defective engines. The Kia 'fix' was software that would let you know that the engine was failing ahead of time, and THEN they would replace the engine. Sound familiar? OK, a little different cost when a whole engine vs. a relay is involved, but you get the idea.

Look, as much as we hate the relay problem on the Mach-E, manufacturers can't recall and repair EVERY possible bad part. There is going to be some give and take based on the known failure rate, cost of replacement, and the danger of what happens when a part fails.

My son's Kia Optima died the day before Thanksgiving on his way home for the holiday. The repair shop near where he broke down said he needed a new engine. I didn't believe them so I towed the car back home to a local Kia dealership. Yep. He needed a new engine. It took them about 2 days and he got the car back. No charge for the repair.

 

[Msnwcpa]

But it's cheap...

Yes! Way less expensive when including the tax rebate

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