Mach N Cheese Mach-E Goes Tesla Supercharging [VIDEO]

scoopman · Mar 3, 2023

Join your (second-favorite) Non-Tesla as we go supercharging in Scotts Valley, CA!

JPMACH · Mar 4, 2023

Thanks for the video, you addressed some questions I had. Quick, unrelated question for you, I noticed the yellow trip on your doors and center console, where did you purchase them?

Thanks!

Mach-Lee · Mar 4, 2023

Interesting, the voltage limit of 425V is probably why the E-GMP cars are having some trouble on Tesla Superchargers. They ask for 450V first, that could throw a fault if the station says no to 450V.

It's also interesting the voltage and current are more limited with the Magic Dock. Those V3 superchargers will output up to 625 amps and 460V charging a Model S plaid but are limited to 350 amps and 425V on non-Teslas so far. Perhaps Tesla will increase those limits as they feel more confident in the reliability of the Magic Dock. Both the cable and the Magic Dock are officially rated for 350A, but Tesla allows 625A for a short time charging a Tesla. They must only feel safe doing that when they control the hardware on both sides of the connection.

Also FYI, the 150 kW EA stations made by ABB (which are actually 175 kW) output up to 375A, so they will be slightly faster than Magic Dock (maybe 135 kW peak vs. 125 kW peak on Mach-E).

Mme4me · Mar 4, 2023

Thanks and well done! Good to see you in my backyard (Aptos). Although you stole my thunder, I was planning to do this exact thing today.

Logal727 · Mar 4, 2023

I’m guessing the unnamed vehicle manufacturer worker you talked to was from Hyundai MA

scoopman · Mar 4, 2023

JPMACH said:
Thanks for the video, you addressed some questions I had. Quick, unrelated question for you, I noticed the yellow trip on your doors and center console, where did you purchase them?

Thanks!

Yes! Those are the center console and door window switch covers that you can buy from AOSK or other Chinese accessory makers. I then wrapped them in a vinyl I found that was most like Cyber Orange. I think they add the just right amount of cheesy poof to my interior!

scoopman · Mar 4, 2023

Mach-Lee said:
Interesting, the voltage limit of 425V is probably why the E-GMP cars are having some trouble on Tesla Superchargers. They ask for 450V first, that could throw a fault if the station says no to 450V.

It's also interesting the voltage and current are more limited with the Magic Dock. Those V3 superchargers will output up to 625 amps and 460V charging a Model S plaid but are limited to 350 amps and 425V on non-Teslas so far. Perhaps Tesla will increase those limits as they feel more confident in the reliability of the Magic Dock. Both the cable and the Magic Dock are officially rated for 350A, but Tesla allows 625A for a short time charging a Tesla. They must only feel safe doing that when they control the hardware on both sides of the connection.

Also FYI, the 150 kW EA stations made by ABB (which are actually 175 kW) output up to 375A, so they will be slightly faster than Magic Dock (maybe 135 kW peak vs. 125 kW peak on Mach-E).

@Mach-Lee you gotta nerd out watching this video from @OutofSpecKyle -- TLDR is #reasons for the 800 volt cars. And yes Telsa is limiting the output when the dispenser has a Magic Dock on it, explained by Kyle and confirmed by the OEM engineers who had a laptop of data in their car, and whom I peppered with questions.

I believe that we've seen Rivians and other non-Mach-Es hit higher kw of max output than I've seen in my test. I wish I had Car Scanner logging the data for me (or you!) to figure out if my battery was somehow still too cold or my SOC was too high to reach that time-based peak the Mach-E requests. Note I did drive for 40+ minutes over terrain, and I yo-yo'd up and down the street outside the charger to do my own brand of pre-conditioning.

One more note -- I pinged some contacts at Ford on the MME team to let them know about my charge at this station and the precise date/time of it. They were appreciative, and since I have the advanced analytics token on my vehicle, I'm hoping they can pull some meaningful data to help us all have successful charges at Tesla infra in the future.

scoopman · Mar 4, 2023

Mme4me said:
Thanks and well done! Good to see you in my backyard (Aptos). Although you stole my thunder, I was planning to do this exact thing today.

Not my intention to steal anyone's thunder! Go for a nice drive before the rain hits down CA-17. You'll find lots of interesting EVs and people driving them if you go -- I suspect many OEMs and others in the industry (as well as some interesting EVs) are visiting the Nob Hill supermarket parking lot these days.

scoopman · Mar 4, 2023

Logal727 said:
I’m guessing the unnamed vehicle manufacturer worker you talked to was from Hyundai MA

I seriously won't confirm or deny, they were pretty cool and opened up to me. Most OEMs I've found at chargers (especially when I'm wearing a mic and have a camera) are not very share-y. These guys were pretty cool.

JPMACH · Mar 4, 2023

scoopman said:
Yes! Those are the center console and door window switch covers that you can buy from AOSK or other Chinese accessory makers. I then wrapped them in a vinyl I found that was most like Cyber Orange. I think they add the just right amount of cheesy poof to my interior!

They look really good, just enough to accent the interior

scoopman · Mar 5, 2023

JPMACH said:
They look really good, just enough to accent the interior

Kinda like how Cartman felt after putting on his cheesy poofs costume.

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Maquis · Mar 5, 2023

Mach-Lee said:
Interesting, the voltage limit of 425V is probably why the E-GMP cars are having some trouble on Tesla Superchargers. They ask for 450V first, that could throw a fault if the station says no to 450V.

It's also interesting the voltage and current are more limited with the Magic Dock. Those V3 superchargers will output up to 625 amps and 460V charging a Model S plaid but are limited to 350 amps and 425V on non-Teslas so far. Perhaps Tesla will increase those limits as they feel more confident in the reliability of the Magic Dock. Both the cable and the Magic Dock are officially rated for 350A, but Tesla allows 625A for a short time charging a Tesla. They must only feel safe doing that when they control the hardware on both sides of the connection.

Also FYI, the 150 kW EA stations made by ABB (which are actually 175 kW) output up to 375A, so they will be slightly faster than Magic Dock (maybe 135 kW peak vs. 125 kW peak on Mach-E).

I suspect it’s limited simply due to the adapter with its second set of contact points in the circuit.

scoopman · Mar 5, 2023

Maquis said:
I suspect it’s limited simply due to the adapter with its second set of contact points in the circuit.

Yeah the speculation is that the Magic Dock connector isn't rated to carry higher current, and that's why they are de-rating.

AZBill · Mar 6, 2023

scoopman said:
I believe that we've seen Rivians and other non-Mach-Es hit higher kw of max output than I've seen in my test.

Rivian, like Tesla is a 450V battery, that is 400V nominal for charging. Most other 400V cars, like Ford and GM, are 400V max and 360V nominal. The current limit with the Magic Dock is 350A, so the Rivian will get a little more KW.

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