EREV F-150 Lightning to replace EV model [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[Sikkun]

“Free people”. Because the US is the only country with those.

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[Snakebitten]

GM announced that they are halting production of their paused-since-May EV van and shutting the plant down.

I guess it doesn't get the mainstream hype since the van never enjoyed the sales of the EV Transit van.

 

[Spacey]

Yep, EVs are great in warm weather environments. Definitely not for those of us who live in cold-weather climates.

Norway anybody?...

The Bijorn Nyland 1000km challenge trips have very few problems, unless he deliberately sets up some jeopardy as clickbait for the EV haters. The difference is that the Norwegian administration has invested in charging stations up and down the country.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

One of the problems, as I see it, is that charging locations are not set up for EVs with EV equipment in tow. You would take up an entire row of Tesla superchargers, and no way to use a hotel charger. Would mean dropping your tow. At least with an EREV, you can pull up to a pump, fill and go. This did just give me an idea....imagine EREV stations with high speed chargers while you are filling your generator tank.

Ask @ChasingCoral about charging while pulling a trailer. He’s done it a few times, including cross country. He can give you his real world view on such things and avoid the needless guessing about it, both good and bad.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Isn't Ford still claiming that they have new BEV vehicles in the US consumer pipeline?
If so, why is this Lightning halt viewed as Ford giving up on manufacturing EV's?

No, Ford, with the cancellation of the Lightning and 3T project, has not claimed to have more than a single vehicle development based on the, as of yet, incomplete universal platform. Rumors are that it is a less than full sized pickup. But there are no claims of multiple vehicles in the pipeline, simply a statement that the platform can be scaled for multiple sizes and types.

Ford permanently halted Lightning production because they lose money on each unit. That’s the same issue they have with the mach-e as well. Every pony rolling out of, or that has ever rolled out of, the Cuautitlán Assembly plant adds to Ford’s red ink woes. Ford has sold roughly 150,000 Mach-e’s in the USA over the course of 5 years now. 2024 was the best sales year to date. Each of those cars resulted in a loss to Ford. There’s no point in that reality where increasing sales results in a profit.

The $30,000 EV is nothing more than a basic tenant of belief. There’s no factual foundation that shows a $30,000 MSRP EV would be profitable or that the buying public will actually want one.

Interestingly, I read an article a while back on what BYD’s cheapest EV would have to retail for in the U.S., disregarding tariff or import restriction issues, while complying with U.S. safety standards. The answer was closer to $50,000 than to $30,000. Of course, just because one EV journalist says so, doesn’t make it so.

People can call this what they want, but Ford is effectively pulling out of EVs. In the next year or so, Jim Farley will step down as CEO to “pursue other opportunities and spend more time with his family.” His successor will dismantle “Farleys Folly” calling it ill thought out, based on questionable assumptions, unsustainable, and a drag on Ford’s future. They will continue on their merry way building SUVs and pickups. They are incapable of making the leap into a profitable EV market.

 

[Mache_Nor]

Norway anybody?...

The Bijorn Nyland 1000km challenge trips have very few problems, unless he deliberately sets up some jeopardy as clickbait for the EV haters. The difference is that the Norwegian administration has invested in charging stations up and down the country.

Speaking of Norway, here is the sale statistics for EVs in 2025: New record: Almost 100% EV registrations in November - electrive.com.

Also and as a nice little funfact: batteries prefer cold over heat (even if it means a bit less range).

 

[Space_Pony]

Speaking of Norway, here is the sale statistics for EVs in 2025: New record: Almost 100% EV registrations in November - electrive.com.

Also and as a nice little funfact: batteries prefer cold over heat (even if it means a bit less range).

Are your farmers using electric trucks to haul their cattle, grain, hay and hogs to the market or does that article not include electric trucks?

 

[Mache_Nor]

Are your farmers using electric trucks to haul their cattle, grain, hay and hogs to the market or does that article not include electric trucks?

Will try to find some sources, hang tight!

The sources are scarse, but there are some movement in the farming sector: Kan e100 Vario dekke profesjonelle behov - også i kommunal drift? No number / %, thus I would suspect low adoption.

Electric vans for commercial purposes are around 44% of new-sales in 2025: Rekordhøy andel elektriske varebiler (Norwegian source) .

Over 2000 electric trucks or roughly 14% of all new trucks (we are a small country) on the Norwegian roads in september 2025 are electric: Antall elektriske lastebiler øker i Norge og miljøministeren tror målet om 50 prosent kan nås – NRK Møre og Romsdal – Lokale nyheter, TV og radio (Norwegian source).

59% (in Q1 2025) of the Norwegian postal service is fully electric: Kvartalsrapport 1. kvartal 2025 NO.pdf (see page 8, again norwegian sorry).

 

[Mach1E]

I think that was more of a function of Covid than GM discontinuing the model.

Covid is long gone.

Check the prices still today.

If Chevy still had a rwd v8 Chevy SS sedan, the used ones would have just depreciated like a normal used car.

Instead, this 10-11 year old one is still considered a “good deal” at $37k (STILL more than I paid brand new!)

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inven...09#listing=430110489/NONE/NATIONWIDE_SHIPPING

It’s also significantly more expensive than a same year Chevy Camaro 2SS (same price when new). Because they made them for significantly longer. But the Camaros used now are holding their value as well now that they’ve been discontinued.

 

[Mach1E]

Wait, what, you mean adding a gasoline powered engine/generator to the Lightning isn’t going to make it cheaper, insert sarcasm?

Actually it’s probably not going to be any more expensive than a larger EV battery.

But both are still expensive.

My guess is it will be priced very similarly to the outgoing EV Lightning.

 

[Budmen]

Ask @ChasingCoral about charging while pulling a trailer. He’s done it a few times, including cross country. He can give you his real world view on such things and avoid the needless guessing about it, both good and bad.

Honestly, it's not my passion currently. We are definitely going to be buying a vehicle for towing in 2028, and that's when I'll really start researching.

 

[ryannix123]

Norway anybody?...

The Bijorn Nyland 1000km challenge trips have very few problems, unless he deliberately sets up some jeopardy as clickbait for the EV haters. The difference is that the Norwegian administration has invested in charging stations up and down the country.

Norway has a ton of money: Roughly $1.8 trillion. They can afford to have a homogeneous network of level 2/3 EV stations.

Meanwhile, the US has $37 trillion of debt. The Feds allocated billions towards new EV stations: The result? $800 million ÷ 31 stations ≈ $26 million per station. One Maine project averaged ~$165,000 per charger (roughly $660,000 for a 4-port station).

And yet somehow I added a level 2 charger to my house for $800, including the hardware and the installation.

 

[Mache_Nor]

Norway has a ton of money: Roughly $1.8 trillion. They can afford to have a homogeneous network of level 2/3 EV stations.

Meanwhile, the US has $37 trillion of debt. The Feds allocated billions towards new EV stations: The result? $800 million ÷ 31 stations ≈ $26 million per station. One Maine project averaged ~$165,000 per charger (roughly $660,000 for a 4-port station).

And yet somehow I added a level 2 charger to my house for $800, including the hardware and the installation.

I will try to not got too much into politics, but just for balancing purposes it is worth noting that the wealth / pension fund (sometimes referred to the oil fund) is mostly stocks and other types of values (I have not done too much homework in this!). It’s of little value before selling the stocks / values. Actually Norway is in dept, not by huge amounts but it is. This because it’s some sort of financial benefit to be in dept, but how that is is beyond my economical understanding. More details here, in Norwegian again sorry (!): https://www.norges-bank.no/bankplassen/arkiv/2018/statsgjeld-i-norge/

But you are correct - we are blessed with resources and means other don’t have, thus the road for other countries might look a bit different.

 

[nvabill]

Actually it’s probably not going to be any more expensive than a larger EV battery.

But both are still expensive.

My guess is it will be priced very similarly to the outgoing EV Lightning.

The more I think about that the more I wonder how that could possibly be the case.

You basically will have the same system of the present Lightning with perhaps a smaller battery but the same system never the less.

Now we have to add in an engine for the generator, all the fuel system to power the generator engine, all the electronics to wire the generator into the battery system of the truck. etc. etc.

I'm not an engineer and know I have missed a lot but, how can it possible be anywhere near the same price? Is the smaller battery going to be that much of a savings?

And I wonder when the whole thing will even come out, Ram announced their REV in 2023 and it's still not out with a projected release in 2026. And the only information on price is an estimated starting price of $65,000 and we all know how well Ford did on estimating cost of the first Lightnings.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/electric/1500-rev.html

Edit - Looked up price of new '25 Lightning which is base model with destination comes in at $54,375 and base F-150 4x4 with crew cab same as Lightning is $50,575.

 

[Sikkun]

I guarantee F150 Lightning was banking on a crap ton of fleet sales like the normal F150 gets. And when every government site was on track to switch their vehicles to EV’s it was a good bet.

But hey now my employer has the chargers installed and is no longer allowed to update the fleet with EVs thanks to *mods don’t think politics could ever be related*.

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