Reopening America ?

[Sweetwater]

As we get closer to the days when reopening the small shops and business that we
need just what are your HONEST thoughts ? I think workers will be a little scared but
what are they to do ? We need this badly as the economy will only get worst. Are you
willing to go out and shop, eat, and be among people ? Sorry I can't test the waters
at this time. Yea between a rock and a hard place. So this is going to happen soon.
Please share your honest thoughts. We need your input for all of us at this time.

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[Billyk24]

Why can't places that have no issues, open up while minimizing travel and maintain that social distance policy?

 

[pbojanoski]

As we get closer to the days when reopening the small shops and business that we
need just what are your HONEST thoughts ? I think workers will be a little scared but
what are they to do ? We need this badly as the economy will only get worst. Are you
willing to go out and shop, eat, and be among people ? Sorry I can't test the waters
at this time. Yea between a rock and a hard place. So this is going to happen soon.
Please share your honest thoughts. We need your input for all of us at this time.

As long as people practice all the things we've already been "programmed" to do, I fail to see a huge difference if we open up a lot of other businesses. Plenty of people in the grocery store, Costco, Home Depot, etc. Do the same things in Michael's Crafts or Best Buy. Will some people still catch the virus in one of those stores, probably. They will catch it in the grocery store as well.

More and more information suggests very low mortality rate for anyone with no underlying condition. If the economy fails, we all will be in deep doo doo.

Keep protecting yourself when out, hopefully testing can continue to expand, hopefully treatments will continue to be found and perfected. Vulnerable should take extra precautions and probably stay home for a little longer. We do need to start testing the waters and get this economy off life support.

 

[ChasingCoral]

While each disease is different, the essential rule of epidemic control is to execute the three Ts: Testing, Treatment, and Tracing. This was true in SARS, MERS, and Ebola. It's how they've been stamping out diseases like smallpox and tuberculosis in countries with limited capacity. The most important thing is to know who has recovered from Covid-19, who has it, and isolating that case and anyone they may have exposed.

This is what will allow us to open up. Until then, people will be afraid to work and afraid to go out into the economy. It requires two types of testing: testing for the active disease and serum antibody testing to know who has had it and is now, presumably, immune. Unfortunately, we still have far too little testing to open things back up. We need to know when new cases plateau, then drop off. Cases are still on the rise in most of the US but we don't have a good handle on the real numbers because there isn't enough testing.

People usually have more fear of the unknown than the known. Knowing we are getting this thing under control will help assuage fears.

 

[pbojanoski]

While each disease is different, the essential rule of epidemic control is to execute the three Ts: Testing, Treatment, and Tracing. This was true in SARS, MERS, and Ebola. It's how they've been stamping out diseases like smallpox and tuberculosis in countries with limited capacity. The most important thing is to know who has recovered from Covid-19, who has it, and isolating that case and anyone they may have exposed.

This is what will allow us to open up. Until then, people will be afraid to work and afraid to go out into the economy. It requires two types of testing: testing for the active disease and serum antibody testing to know who has had it and is now, presumably, immune. Unfortunately, we still have far too little testing to open things back up. We need to know when new cases plateau, then drop off. Cases are still on the rise in most of the US but we don't have a good handle on the real numbers because there isn't enough testing.

People usually have more fear of the unknown than the known. Knowing we are getting this thing under control will help assuage fears.

A couple of points to clarify. The country as a whole seems to have plateaued in new daily cases. Obviously some areas have growing cases, some steady, and some falling.

I wholeheartedly agree that mass testing is key to across the board comfort of the population, but I don't think we can wait that long to restart the economy. Based on recent evidence emerging, the virus seems highly unlikely to be a major issue to anyone without an underlying condition. As long as we can bring down the likelihood of transmission using our mitigation (mask, hand washing, distancing, etc.) I think it is prudent for those that are healthy to begin getting back to work.

I think the news media is turning a deaf ear and a blind eye to all the economic suffering right now and the highly likely death and despair that will result from keeping this economy closed too much longer. We may have already created an economic situation that will take years to recover from. Continuing the shutdown could make it much worse with each passing day.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Based on recent evidence emerging, the virus seems highly unlikely to be a major issue to anyone without an underlying condition.

if you really believe this, you either haven’t been paying attention or you’ve been very limited inyour information sources. Please provide evidence of this assertion.

 

[dbsb3233]

I've made 4 trips to Home Depot this week. Perfect time to work on projects around the house.

I wear a mask. Probably 60% of the customers do. Wish more would, but it's getting there. Most stores should be able to open back up, since you can usually stay spread out enough.

 

[Billyk24]

While each disease is different, the essential rule of epidemic control is to execute the three Ts: Testing, Treatment, and Tracing. This was true in SARS, MERS, and Ebola. It's how they've been stamping out diseases like smallpox and tuberculosis in countries with limited capacity----Could you tell me when you were tested for SARS, MERS, Ebola?

 

[ChasingCoral]

While each disease is different, the essential rule of epidemic control is to execute the three Ts: Testing, Treatment, and Tracing. This was true in SARS, MERS, and Ebola. It's how they've been stamping out diseases like smallpox and tuberculosis in countries with limited capacity----Could you tell me when you were tested for SARS, MERS, Ebola?

You only test for diseases to which there is a reason to believe there is possible exposure. I was screened for SARS in Singapore and Tokyo while on business travel in eastern Asia about six months after that outbreak. Screening was required for all travelers. I’ve been inoculated for yellow fever and have my yellow fever card as required for travel in certain countries. I’ve had to take anti-malarial prophylaxis for travel to others. That’s how public health policy works: you apply the tests, prevention and treatment needed for reasonable risks. Have you ever been inoculated for diseases or are you a lifelong anti-vaxxer too?

 

[Billyk24]

I have had Shingles injection and yearly flu shots during my adult life. Had all the childhood injections. I can not get tested for other items without an order from a provider. I work in health care. Now your statements: You only test for diseases to which there is a reason to believe there is possible exposure. Does this conflict with your previous statement: While each disease is different, the essential rule of epidemic control is to execute the three Ts: Testing, Treatment, and Tracing?

 

[pbojanoski]

if you really believe this, you either haven’t been paying attention or you’ve been very limited inyour information sources. Please provide evidence of this assertion.

I think fewer accusations and little more constructive dialog would be great for all of us. Here are a few stories from the past week. A couple are referring to the same study.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...e-but-few-symptoms-in-pregnant-women/2372863/

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200418/new-model-shows-covid-more-widespread-less-severe

http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~cfm754/covid-19_infection_rate.pdf

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/first-minor-coronavirus-new-york-city-dies-n1172171

https://reason.com/2020/04/17/covid-19-lethality-not-much-different-than-flu-says-new-study/

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-19-coronavirus-antibodies-infection-higher-1498740

We are still learning as we go. I'm sure there will be more data coming in over the weeks and months ahead. Obviously, I'm not stating anything as a cold stone fact here, but I will repeat what I said in my original post:

Based on recent evidence emerging, the virus seems highly unlikely to be a major issue to anyone without an underlying condition.

I've been saying we should look to slowly and methodically open this economy. Nobody is saying flip a switch and everyone goes back to normal. I look forward to everyone's thoughtful reply.

 

[pbojanoski]

Here are a couple of stories about the economic downturn we are forcing upon ourselves and billions of others across the world. Why do we see little about this in the media?

https://blogs.imf.org/2020/04/14/th...economic-downturn-since-the-great-depression/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...f-thousands-of-children-in-2020-idUSKBN21Y2X7

Where are the stories about people losing their jobs, losing their businesses?

Where are the stories of people that are planning to file for bankruptcy?

Where are the stories of people who are home in pain because they can't get "elective" surgery?

 

[ChasingCoral]

Does this conflict with your previous statement: While each disease is different, the essential rule of epidemic control is to execute the three Ts: Testing, Treatment, and Tracing?

Not at all. As I said, “You only test for diseases to which there is a reason to believe there is possible exposure.”

 

[Sweetwater]

A lot of good info on this Thread but no one is saying they are ready
to go out and smell the roses. Are you ready ? Will you ? This is what
we want to know. Talk all the tests you want. The point here is are
you going outside and and spend money at stores and avoid crowds ?
Now the PROTESTERS are upsetting the reopening !!! They gather and
protest with no PPE and go home across every state. Is one of them
your neighbor ? Bringing home the virus ? This is getting out of hand
and spreading more virus because of their actions.

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