FORD FURTHER POSTPONES NA PRODUCTION RESTART TO PROTECT WORKFORCE - UNKNOWN RESTART DATE

[TheSteelRider]

Edit: Redacted and moved to a better thread, thanks all for the reminder to stay on topic

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[pbojanoski]

I agree it is critical for the president to be optimistic. But, like you said, also, realistic. You want to give people hope, not false hope. And that is the difference. Saying you want to open up by Easter is false hope. I don't criticize him for optimism, I criticize him for telling us he is doing everything he can while not actually doing everything he can to get us back to normal. And also, better defining what the new normal will be for a while until we get a vaccine. We will not be "normal" until then.

I think you might me "Monday morning quarterbacking" here. It was still early on when he spoke optimistically about Easter reopening. It was during the "15 days to slow the spread". Obviously there was some thought that significant improvement might be seen in those 15 days. Why not be optimistic and hopeful? There are plenty on his own team as well as Governors, doctors, talking heads, etc. to put out anything they want on the subject. That you need to criticize him for optimism and hope seems purely political. Hindsight is 20/20, but we need to try to remember what was actually known weeks ago, not what is known today.

I would rather be listening to a glass half full guy than a glass half empty guy. That's part of my concern with posts on this forum. Focussing almost exclusively on the negative is not a good thing. Everyone NEEDS hope. Whether it is exiting this pandemic lockdown or getting a Mach E in 2020, we need hope.

 

[pbojanoski]

Coach Bob Knight, Bill Belichick, Frank Kush, Billy Martin, Sparky Anderson, Mike Ditka, George Halas, Scotty Bowman, are some individuals that come to my mind when reading these threads.

Will you equate those coaches to members of this forum?

 

[ChasingCoral]

Please folks, take the politics elsewhere. If you don't know if it's politics, let me suggest that if it contains the words President, Trump, Congress, Democrat, Republican, or anything else that deals with elected officials that you like or hate, it's politics.

 

[Redundant]

Please folks, take the politics elsewhere. If you don't know if it's politics, let me suggest that if it contains the words President, Trump, Congress, Democrat, Republican, or anything else that deals with elected officials that you like or hate, it's politics.

What if we are playing bridge?

 

[zhackwyatt]

I really like the analogy I saw to different states having different approaches to staying home being like having a public swimming pool with a designated area to pee in.

This is a false analogy. USA and Mexico share a border where people are crossing every day. Arizona and New Mexico share a border and people are crossing every day.

The USA is made up of sovereign states. This allows for self governance -- i.e., I have much more influence on my representative in my state capitol than I do in Washington DC. It also allows for testing of new ideas, seeing what works and what doesn't.

 

[portlandg]

This is now the second thread that has been hijacked by political rhetoric. There was me thinking that this forum was for discussions about a fabulous new car that may or may not have its delivery date delayed because of something no one could forsee. What is it you say over there, three strikes and you are out!!!!!!

 

[ChasingCoral]

While we can learn from 1918, we need to look for what can be translated to 2020. Today we have much better communication, better medicine, more options to protect ourselves, but also a much more vulnerable economy.

We need to be prudent and smart, but also realistic.

Absolutely. The biggest issue I see is people who can't distinguish optimism from wishful thinking. Better medicine doesn't result in better population/community outcomes by itself. Appropriate public policy is essential. For that we need to look to the past and learn from it.

I strongly suspect that some of the rapid reopening we are seeing in some states will result in a second spike in infections and deaths. That will have even greater impacts on the economy than doing it right once.

Getting us back on topic, the same thing applies to Ford-NA reopening. Better medicine only won't get Ford where they need to be.

I think the South Dakota Smithfield Pork Plant shows us what results from trying to keep moving full speed ahead with the implementation of minimal changes and combining that with minimal social distancing and a lack of stay-at-home rules. Smithfield appears to have severely failed at communication. The last I heard they had 725 confirmed cases in that one plant alone. Similar problems have been cropping up in other meat-packing plants. The Smithfield plant closed for cleaning, reopened, and the case number exploded. It is now closed indefinitely.

We will soon see if Boeing has instituted the sort of controls within their plants to stop such outbreaks. Certainly Washington state has put some of the strongest public health measures in place and was one of the first to act. They also waited until they had two weeks of declining cases before plants like Boeing began to reopen.

Ford and the other automakers will need to learn from past outbreaks and from what worked and didn't work elsewhere to reopen intelligently and hopefully stay open.

 

[Redundant]

This is a false analogy. USA and Mexico share a border where people are crossing every day. Arizona and New Mexico share a border and people are crossing every day.

The USA is made up of sovereign states. This allows for self governance -- i.e., I have much more influence on my representative in my state capitol than I do in Washington DC. It also allows for testing of new ideas, seeing what works and what doesn't.

Was actually just a joke really.

 

[Redundant]

Absolutely. The biggest issue I see is people who can't distinguish optimism from wishful thinking. Better medicine doesn't result in better population/community outcomes by itself. Appropriate public policy is essential. For that we need to look to the past and learn from it.

I strongly suspect that some of the rapid reopening we are seeing in some states will result in a second spike in infections and deaths. That will have even greater impacts on the economy than doing it right once.

Getting us back on topic, the same thing applies to Ford-NA reopening. Better medicine only won't get Ford where they need to be.

I think the South Dakota Smithfield Pork Plant shows us what results from trying to keep moving full speed ahead with the implementation of minimal changes and combining that with minimal social distancing and a lack of stay-at-home rules. Smithfield appears to have severely failed at communication. The last I heard they had 725 confirmed cases in that one plant alone. Similar problems have been cropping up in other meat-packing plants. The Smithfield plant closed for cleaning, reopened, and the case number exploded. It is now closed indefinitely.

We will soon see if Boeing has instituted the sort of controls within their plants to stop such outbreaks. Certainly Washington state has put some of the strongest public health measures in place and was one of the first to act. They also waited until they had two weeks of declining cases before plants like Boeing began to reopen.

Ford and the other automakers will need to learn from past outbreaks and from what worked and didn't work elsewhere to reopen intelligently and hopefully stay open.

I liked fords idea of bracelets that vibrate when people are closer than 6 feet.

 

[eager2own]

This is now the second thread that has been hijacked by political rhetoric.

Only the second you've come across?!? You are lucky.
I suspect any potential new reader who comes to this forum to learn about the car (or even if they look at a specific thread to learn, for example, when people think Ford will open NA production and how that will affect MME deliveries) is going to think "holy crap, this is worse than a reddit political discussion." This is particularly unfortunate when it's not just in off-topic threads but throughout what are supposed to be General MME Topics.

 

[pbojanoski]

Absolutely. The biggest issue I see is people who can't distinguish optimism from wishful thinking. Better medicine doesn't result in better population/community outcomes by itself. Appropriate public policy is essential. For that we need to look to the past and learn from it.

I strongly suspect that some of the rapid reopening we are seeing in some states will result in a second spike in infections and deaths. That will have even greater impacts on the economy than doing it right once.

Getting us back on topic, the same thing applies to Ford-NA reopening. Better medicine only won't get Ford where they need to be.

I think the South Dakota Smithfield Pork Plant shows us what results from trying to keep moving full speed ahead with the implementation of minimal changes and combining that with minimal social distancing and a lack of stay-at-home rules. Smithfield appears to have severely failed at communication. The last I heard they had 725 confirmed cases in that one plant alone. Similar problems have been cropping up in other meat-packing plants. The Smithfield plant closed for cleaning, reopened, and the case number exploded. It is now closed indefinitely.

We will soon see if Boeing has instituted the sort of controls within their plants to stop such outbreaks. Certainly Washington state has put some of the strongest public health measures in place and was one of the first to act. They also waited until they had two weeks of declining cases before plants like Boeing began to reopen.

Ford and the other automakers will need to learn from past outbreaks and from what worked and didn't work elsewhere to reopen intelligently and hopefully stay open.

Obviously we need smart ideas and smart implementation, but we will need that no matter when you reopen plants. This virus isn't going to disappear in 6 weeks or 6 months, so we will need to do the best we can, but start moving forward. Learn from mistakes and try to save the economy. That's all we can do. Also, I believe too many people are underestimating the hugely negative affect on the economy already in place and getting worse with every passing day.

 

[zhackwyatt]

Was actually just a joke really.

AH. ?

 

[ChasingCoral]

Also, I believe too many people are underestimating the hugely negative affect on the economy already in place and getting worse with every passing day.

And I believe too many people are remain focused on the economy without mentioning the lives lost. 2,139 Americans died from Covid-19 yesterday. That’s 332 more Americans than the 1,806 that die each day, on average, from heart disease, the former leading cause of death in the US.

Some people think the economy is more important than human lives and the people they leave behind. I don’t.

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