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[Jimrpa]

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[Jimrpa]

The only people beyond 2.4.1 are a small number of early access members. The remainder of early access will follow soon. After that the rest of Job 1 cars will get the various updates leading to BlueCruise.

Define “soon” ?

 

[Jimrpa]

We have a mobile service come to our yard and perform the oil change as soon as the truck returns to the yard.

So your vehicles DO go down for maintenance? What about maintenance beyond “oil changes”?

 

[available_username2]

Preventative maintenance is one thing and expected to keep the machine in service. Updating software is not something that should be necessary for the vehicle to function.

Should we get some red flag walkers in front of the cars too?

you are very very incorrect here

 

[Jimrpa]

Preventative maintenance is one thing and expected to keep the machine in service. Updating software is not something that should be necessary for the vehicle to function. We have trucks in our fleet that are still running the same software the vehicle shipped with.

I’m sorry - what? ? you’re aware that sometimes software updates are required for proper functioning? Or safety?

 

[generaltso]

Define “soon” ?

In or after a short time.

 

[Jimrpa]

In or after a short time.

Lol define “short time” ?

 

[generaltso]

Lol define “short time” ?

Soon.

 

[BMT1071]

Lol define “short time” ?

 

[BMT1071]

Lol define “short time” ?

 

[BMT1071]

Lol define “short time” ?

 

[BMT1071]

Lol define “short time” ?

 

[SnBGC]

So your vehicles DO go down for maintenance? What about maintenance beyond “oil changes”?

All kinds of stuff happens. Flat tires, blown hydraulic lines, overheating etc. It is never ending it seems. One huge benefit of switching a fleet to electric power is the expectation of less maintenance and repairs.

Should we get some red flag walkers in front of the cars too?

you are very very incorrect here

I think you all are missing my point. I get that many here are quite happy to own a vehicle that updates frequently and that is fine. We all have our hobbies. My issue is Ford specifically said this vehicle could be used while the software is updating. Now I am hearing that isn't always the case. Emergencies happen for everyone and if needed then the owner should be able to cancel an update and drive away. We are just talking about a software update after all. It isn't a critical function like fixing a flat tire or changing filters and fluids or greasing fittings etc.

The infotainment can be updated at will. Vehicle should still function in an emergency. If the powertrain software needs attention then that should be dealer installed IMO.

I’m sorry - what? ? you’re aware that sometimes software updates are required for proper functioning? Or safety?

Generally speaking, the powertrain software never needs updating unless the hardware changes. If the hardware never changes then the software should be fine as well.

What I am saying is: It is not okay to render my car or truck inoperable for a software update. If there is a safety or critical powertrain issue that needs attention then it should be a technician with a laptop and cable that makes the repair. That can be managed and planned (usually). An automated lobotomy over the air from some server a thousand miles away isn't the best way.

If we want an OTA for convenience then that is fine and everyone's choice to make. I just want the ability to cancel an update in the event of an emergency. That is what Ford promised when I ordered the car.

I think I worked out a solution. While speaking with my dealer about this very issue this weekend, they said all I need to do is disable Auto OTA and they can install the updates manually at a time that works for me. That seems like a good option. You guys can still get your frequent OTAs to keep you busy and I can still use my car as usual. I presume the various updates should notify me if the car can be used or not. If not, then I don't have to accept the update and can choose to wait for the dealer to install it when time permits. If that same solution is available for fleets then I think everyone's concerns are addressed. Hopefully.

 

[Neil4Real]

All kinds of stuff happens. Flat tires, blown hydraulic lines, overheating etc. It is never ending it seems. One huge benefit of switching a fleet to electric power is the expectation of less maintenance and repairs.

I think you all are missing my point. I get that many here are quite happy to own a vehicle that updates frequently and that is fine. We all have our hobbies. My issue is Ford specifically said this vehicle could be used while the software is updating. Now I am hearing that isn't always the case. Emergencies happen for everyone and if needed then the owner should be able to cancel an update and drive away. We are just talking about a software update after all. It isn't a critical function like fixing a flat tire or changing filters and fluids or greasing fittings etc.

The infotainment can be updated at will. Vehicle should still function in an emergency. If the powertrain software needs attention then that should be dealer installed IMO.


Generally speaking, the powertrain software never needs updating unless the hardware changes. If the hardware never changes then the software should be fine as well.

What I am saying is: It is not okay to render my car or truck inoperable for a software update. If there is a safety or critical powertrain issue that needs attention then it should be a technician with a laptop and cable that makes the repair. That can be managed and planned (usually). An automated lobotomy over the air from some server a thousand miles away isn't the best way.

If we want an OTA for convenience then that is fine and everyone's choice to make. I just want the ability to cancel an update in the event of an emergency. That is what Ford promised when I ordered the car.

I think I worked out a solution. While speaking with my dealer about this very issue this weekend, they said all I need to do is disable Auto OTA and they can install the updates manually at a time that works for me. That seems like a good option. You guys can still get your frequent OTAs to keep you busy and I can still use my car as usual. I presume the various updates should notify me if the car can be used or not. If not, then I don't have to accept the update and can choose to wait for the dealer to install it when time permits. If that same solution is available for fleets then I think everyone's concerns are addressed. Hopefully.

Uh, your car can’t be used when it’s at the dealer either, so if you’re going to go to the dealer for an update on a Monday at 10am, why wouldn’t you instead just click install… Your whole argument makes no sense at all. I try to see both sides, but it makes no sense that you’d be willing to have your car out of your possession fully to do an update you can do at home and have the car be down for a fraction of the time. Even ice cars get updates to modules that control power, brakes, steering, etc. it’s most definitely welcome and needed (especially when talking about the grabby brakes on the MME and the hopeful removal of the 5 second power limit). An electric car would hopefully have even more power updates to handle power better and improve efficiency.

 

[available_username2]

All kinds of stuff happens. Flat tires, blown hydraulic lines, overheating etc. It is never ending it seems. One huge benefit of switching a fleet to electric power is the expectation of less maintenance and repairs.

I think you all are missing my point. I get that many here are quite happy to own a vehicle that updates frequently and that is fine. We all have our hobbies. My issue is Ford specifically said this vehicle could be used while the software is updating. Now I am hearing that isn't always the case. Emergencies happen for everyone and if needed then the owner should be able to cancel an update and drive away. We are just talking about a software update after all. It isn't a critical function like fixing a flat tire or changing filters and fluids or greasing fittings etc.

The infotainment can be updated at will. Vehicle should still function in an emergency. If the powertrain software needs attention then that should be dealer installed IMO.


Generally speaking, the powertrain software never needs updating unless the hardware changes. If the hardware never changes then the software should be fine as well.

What I am saying is: It is not okay to render my car or truck inoperable for a software update. If there is a safety or critical powertrain issue that needs attention then it should be a technician with a laptop and cable that makes the repair. That can be managed and planned (usually). An automated lobotomy over the air from some server a thousand miles away isn't the best way.

If we want an OTA for convenience then that is fine and everyone's choice to make. I just want the ability to cancel an update in the event of an emergency. That is what Ford promised when I ordered the car.

I think I worked out a solution. While speaking with my dealer about this very issue this weekend, they said all I need to do is disable Auto OTA and they can install the updates manually at a time that works for me. That seems like a good option. You guys can still get your frequent OTAs to keep you busy and I can still use my car as usual. I presume the various updates should notify me if the car can be used or not. If not, then I don't have to accept the update and can choose to wait for the dealer to install it when time permits. If that same solution is available for fleets then I think everyone's concerns are addressed. Hopefully.

LOL clearly a miscommunication because that's what everyone has been saying. You choose when the update happens and the car becomes inoperable.

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