GTPE 0-60 in 3.5? Mine goes 0-60 in about 5.

[HuntingPudel]

What's the life of the car? 200k, 300k, 400k miles? Batteries already loses 20% of their charge at 50k-100k.

My Blazer had a Chevrolet Million Mile decal in the window when I purchased it. The decal was heavily faded. Since I personally put over 200K on it, I claim it has a million, 300K. I can’t claim more, but I won’t claim less. Between dog shows and hunting I put a lot of miles on that thing. ??

IOW, I expect a couple hundred thousand at a minimum from a car. ??

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[Mach1E]

What's the life of the car? 200k, 300k, 400k miles? Batteries already loses 20% of their charge at 50k-100k.

20% at 50k-100k??

Source?

I see a 10% loss at 100k:https://insideevs.com/reviews/573397/tesla-model-3-100k-battery-degradation-range-test/

Another test at 8% at 100k:

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-model-3-battery-degrade-100000-miles/

Yet another at 2.2%:
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-battery-range-loss-100k-miles-video/amp/

Not that I’m worried. I have 5k miles after over a year of ownership.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

20% at 50k-100k??

Source?

I see a 10% loss at 100k:https://insideevs.com/reviews/573397/tesla-model-3-100k-battery-degradation-range-test/

Another test at 8% at 100k:

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-model-3-battery-degrade-100000-miles/

Yet another at 2.2%:
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-battery-range-loss-100k-miles-video/amp/

Not that I’m worried. I have 5k miles after over a year of ownership.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31875141/electric-car-battery-life/

According to the article:

Hyundai offers a similar battery warranty for its EV of the Year-winning Ioniq 5, with coverage of 10 years or 100,000 miles. It also covers battery degradation, with Hyundai expecting the Ioniq 5’s pack to lose no more than 30 percent of its original charge during the warranty period.

Doesn't mean it will lose 30%, but up to 30% at 100% is within acceptable range.

Not all owners will baby their cars. Some will Fast Charge every time to 100%.

 

[woody]

Recycling. The problem is: Li batteries are long lived. It will be some time before there are enough "used" Li batteries to make recycling (widely) viable. The companies (eg. GM, LG, etc.) that can fund early recycling operations will have an edge. Remembering that recycling, like any other business, has to be profitable.

 

[Space Ghost GT]

What's the life of the car? 200k, 300k, 400k miles? Batteries already loses 20% of their charge at 50k-100k.

Ummm no it will not lose 20% before 100k maybe 7-10%. Average life of a car is 12 years 200k miles. The battery doesn’t degrade linearly either. Of course ymmv. If you abuse your pack and have terrible charging habits and or don’t have access to garage charging your pack will suffer (also as one member reminds us you can a bad pack with a bad cell and it’ll fail). Just like beating on a gas car and never changing the oil nor doing any service.

 

[Hammered]

Lots of variables when it comes to lithium overall life. If you're a 30-85% AC charger and easy on the car, the battery will degrade quite slow. I suspect we're going to see inverter failures, bearing failures, misc ECU failure (there's ~60 discrete ECUs in the mach-e, from seats, to charging, to radio, to windows).

Removing the ICE and trans significantly reduces the points of failures. No timing chains, no plugs, no exhaust, throttle bodies, etc... BUT, and it's a big but, if you have an inverter failure out of warranty, those will be ~$4k and interacting with the HV system. Will likely have repair services by then for them. Replacing motor bearings won't be something the average shop can do (I don't trust ford dealers either) -- I expect quality shops to start migrating to such things when the business is there. This is the future of vehicles after all. The industry has changed over a few times, carb > efi > computerized everything (though HV DC is unforgiving, it's pretty easy to neutralize the system, playing in the battery is a different story though). I've seen the car report 1060 amps flowing at 380v -- That's over 400kw of power.

Though with the battery, a couple cells can die and it have little net effect, but with some batteries cells can end up causing a cascading failure where the battery's overall condition becomes worthless as it's dangerous and the car won't let it charge. Several teslas have died like this as the first ones are aging out. One lucky guy had it happen literally a few miles before his battery warranty expired. That was a $20+k bullet dodged.

 

[Jimmy2]

Even with better tires I still spin the front. I drive pretty aggressive. Once my shop is done I'll be dropping the batt and doubling the busbars in it as well as hunting out a way to remove the limits. It will likely require a device to intercept what the vehicle's brains are receiving and trick them into believing that 100% is only 70%. The goal is to decipher the variables being watched and trick it into giving 100% of the power whenever called upon. It's been said the limiting variable is the battery busbars. I'll first install several temp probes on them to see if that's in-fact the issue.

Furthermore, the motors in the MME have a max speed of ~205 mph with the stock tires. Ford sells the motor and other components of the MME so that they can be used in ICE to BEV conversions. The dual motor units have 562hp and 634ftlb of torque capability as they sit in the vehicle, limited by other variables.

The motor can be found here https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9000-MACHE.

Let us know when your shop is done. If you are serious, please start a new thread on your progress.
You can call the new thread: "The grey bars are gone" or "Quarter mile time new record".
I'm hoping the good folks at Shelby can figure it out.

 

[Mach1E]

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31875141/electric-car-battery-life/

According to the article:

Hyundai offers a similar battery warranty for its EV of the Year-winning Ioniq 5, with coverage of 10 years or 100,000 miles. It also covers battery degradation, with Hyundai expecting the Ioniq 5’s pack to lose no more than 30 percent of its original charge during the warranty period.

Doesn't mean it will lose 30%, but up to 30% at 100% is within acceptable range.

Not all owners will baby their cars. Some will Fast Charge every time to 100%.

Sorry, but no that’s not what that’s saying.

That’s just explaining what the warranty will cover, NOT how much degradation is normal.

The articles I posted? Actual results.

I did a search and couldn’t find even a single example of a car losing 20% at 50k miles, let alone that being normal.

The warranty isn’t set up to cover normal degradation. It’s made to cover catastrophic failure.

 

[Iam7foot1]

Even with better tires I still spin the front. I drive pretty aggressive. Once my shop is done I'll be dropping the batt and doubling the busbars in it as well as hunting out a way to remove the limits. It will likely require a device to intercept what the vehicle's brains are receiving and trick them into believing that 100% is only 70%. The goal is to decipher the variables being watched and trick it into giving 100% of the power whenever called upon. It's been said the limiting variable is the battery busbars. I'll first install several temp probes on them to see if that's in-fact the issue.

Furthermore, the motors in the MME have a max speed of ~205 mph with the stock tires. Ford sells the motor and other components of the MME so that they can be used in ICE to BEV conversions. The dual motor units have 562hp and 634ftlb of torque capability as they sit in the vehicle, limited by other variables.

The motor can be found here https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9000-MACHE.

You're better off just swapping your Mach E for a GT350 or GT500.

 

[Mach1E]

You're better off just swapping your Mach E for a GT350 or GT500.

How will that accomplish his goals?

If people just wanted to go fast, they could spend $10k on a motorcycle and be faster than a Ferrari.

 

[Hammered]

You're better off just swapping your Mach E for a GT350 or GT500.

I'm ordering a dark horse when the order books open. Fortunately I don't have to swap, but I do run into a utility barrier from personal justifications. I've got a serial hybrid idea for synchromesh transmissions. That's well outside of my R/D wheelhouse so I'll probably just model it further and send it to tremec asking for a couple if they build it.

 

[SpicyMelk]

Resurrecting this thread. I’m having the same issue as the OP. Initially, my car would do 0-60 just below 4-seconds consistently (using an app to measure). Now, the best I’ve done is 5.8-seconds (70 degrees, dry, sunny, 85% SoC). What gives? Initially I was thinking the OE Pirellis were giving up spinning too much. However, the car has always had wheel spin, it just used to pull harder once they hooked up. The car acts like it has a few jail bars, but there are no jail bars. Anyone else have this issue?
PS - my car was built in June 2022, so I should be ‘clear’ of HVB issues.

 

[Iam7foot1]

Resurrecting this thread. I’m having the same issue as the OP. Initially, my car would do 0-60 just below 4-seconds consistently (using an app to measure). Now, the best I’ve done is 5.8-seconds (70 degrees, dry, sunny, 85% SoC). What gives? Initially I was thinking the OE Pirellis were giving up spinning too much. However, the car has always had wheel spin, it just used to pull harder once they hooked up. The car acts like it has a few jail bars, but there are no jail bars. Anyone else have this issue?
PS - my car was built in June 2022, so I should be ‘clear’ of HVB issues.

Yeah I have this same problem and my car was built March 2022.

 

[Iam7foot1]

I'm ordering a dark horse when the order books open. Fortunately I don't have to swap, but I do run into a utility barrier from personal justifications. I've got a serial hybrid idea for synchromesh transmissions. That's well outside of my R/D wheelhouse so I'll probably just model it further and send it to tremec asking for a couple if they build it.

Did you order a Dark Horse? I put an order in this week when the orders opened. The local Ford dealer called me the next day and said that my $70k order would have a $25k markup because they will be very rare and most dealers will only get 1 DH. I told him to cancel my order then because for that price I could get a Shelby GT500 or a C8.

 

[mkhuffman]

Did you order a Dark Horse? I put an order in this week when the orders opened. The local Ford dealer called me the next day and said that my $70k order would have a $25k markup because they will be very rare and most dealers will only get 1 DH. I told him to cancel my order then because for that price I could get a Shelby GT500 or a C8.

I would definitely try another dealer and not deal with them.

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