Tesla to open ~20% of U.S. Superchargers to all EVs by end of 2024

[Hammered]

Funny how my post keeps getting edited, I assume by the admin... The last thing I'd put in my post would be a link to Twitter.

Right, because linking to the largest social media platform that actually supports free speech is harmful. The 2 best things to happen to the internet in 2022 was chatGPT public access and catfish car boy buying twitter. The best thing to happen for EVs owners in 2023 so far is cat fish boy announcing they're converting / installing additional DCFCs, particularly ones that are known to actually work and can be depended on. This is a big deal and those needing a safe space over their differences with musk should try doing what the rest of adults have to do -- grow up.

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[nvabill]

So much of Elon's businesses are built on the back of taxpayer money.

On the back of taxpayer money makes it sound like he is doing something illegal or such, he is following the tax laws isn't he?

 

[RickMachE]

Where, could you provide your source and a link please?

Number of Charging Ports
This final rule establishes a requirement for the number of ports at a charging station. Any time charging stations are installed there is a required minimum of 4 ports, notwithstanding the type of port (Direct Current Fast Charger (DCFC) or alternating current (AC) Level 2 or a combination of DCFC and AC Level 2). Additionally, in all instances when a DCFC charging station is installed along and designed to serve users of designated AFCs, there must be at least four network-connected DCFC charging ports.

 

[SoCalPony]

Somewhat related - I also find it interesting that Teslas are already using CCS converters at Supercharger stations where both are available. Saw this while in LA last week, this was with plenty of Supercharger stalls still available. I assume more kWh speed was available on the CCS circuit or something, but I’m just guessing, would love to have someone weigh in who knows better than I do.

This picture is from the Arroyo charging plaza in Pasadena, Ca. The DCFC in the background with the Tesla using a CCS adapter has the wording "Power up Pasadena", which is partially covered by a sign directing users how to stop the charging session before disconnecting from the DCFC. These DCFCs are operated by the City, and have been unbelievably prone to being offline. The City took over when the prior operator simply wasn't fixing broken units. I forget who the prior operator was.

The reason why this (Tesla's using CCS) is happening is because for quite a long time after the site went online, the CCS charging was free. This is also the case at the Marengo garage charger closer to downtown which opened much earlier, where the City put in 20 (!) 50KW non-Tesla chargers that essentially sat unused for months on end. The City realized that there wasn't a need (back then) to put in so many low power DCFCs, so the Arroyo plaza only has 4 150KW DCFCs and 2 50KW Tritium units. If you look through the City website (Municipal Services Committee) you will see that the revenue from the Tesla chargers more than offsets the free DCFC on the other City operated units.

Not sure if the free CCS charging is still a thing or not. I happened to be at the Marengo garage yesterday and saw maybe 10 of the 20 DCFCs in use, which was unusual. My Kia Soul EV has a Chademo plug, and I tried a couple times to use the Arroyo DCFC seen in the picture but gave up due to: 1) unreliable units, 2) no real use case as I can charge at home and don't use the 89 mile range EV for long distance travel.

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[RickMachE]

Somewhat related - I also find it interesting that Teslas are already using CCS converters at Supercharger stations where both are available. Saw this while in LA last week, this was with plenty of Supercharger stalls still available. I assume more kWh speed was available on the CCS circuit or something, but I’m just guessing, would love to have someone weigh in who knows better than I do.

In fact this is not correct, there isn't a single CCS converter / cord at any Tesla SuperCharger in the US working at this time.

 

[dbsb3233]

On the back of taxpayer money makes it sound like he is doing something illegal or such, he is following the tax laws isn't he?

Yep. If there's anything wrong about it, it's government throwing our taxpayer money around, not the ones accepting it per the requirements the government dictates.

 

[SoCalPony]

Common sense would lead one to believe a simple adapter would be all that is needed. Until you remember the Supercharger dispensers are all designed for backing into the stall and the charge port always being the same distance away. Even in a Tesla I find the cable to be so short I have to back all the way up to the curb.

Unfortunately for other EV drivers, these stations will need to be retrofitted - unless you're driving an EV that the existing cord can reach.

I think that as soon as the first site or two that has CCS units as part of the installed base opens up this question will be largely answered. It could be that a slightly taller pedestal (V4 Supercharger) containing a longer charging cable combined with a drive through stall could probably handle any current EV with a CCS port, and also those pulling trailers if the pull through is designed right.

Obviously a win-win for all EV drivers.

SCPony

 

[nvabill]

Number of Charging Ports
This final rule establishes a requirement for the number of ports at a charging station. Any time charging stations are installed there is a required minimum of 4 ports, notwithstanding the type of port (Direct Current Fast Charger (DCFC) or alternating current (AC) Level 2 or a combination of DCFC and AC Level 2). Additionally, in all instances when a DCFC charging station is installed along and designed to serve users of designated AFCs, there must be at least four network-connected DCFC charging ports.

Thanks Rick

 

[nvabill]

Yep. If there's anything wrong about it, it's government throwing our taxpayer money around, not the ones accepting it per the requirements the government dictates.

Bingo!

 

[Hammered]

I don't often say nice things about EU governmental practices, but making Tesla install chargers in Europe that worked for Teslas as well as all other CCS equipped cars was a smart move on their part. I'm kindof surprised that states and municipalities here in the US didn't try to make Tesla do the same thing as a way of building out the infrastructure.

Unless public funds were used for the buildout itself, that's a horrible idea. Private businesses shouldn't be required to do jack for 3rd parties unless they're paying for it.

On the other hand things paid for on the public dime, like housing for instance, I support having multiple individuals per dwelling / assigning rooms to those in need. For instance a 1 child family living in public housing with 3 bedrooms should have to allow for a single individual needing housing to be given that 3rd bedroom. Same for taxpayer funded food programs. While living on taxpayer dime, healthy and diverse food choices should be mandated by having food types categorized and only allowing a percentage of each category. It should be inconvenient and regulated, especially for the able bodied. Imagine how great and clean communities would be with all of the community service being done by those asking for taxpayer $.

The point is that living off of those who are gainfully employed should come with all sorts of stipulations and control.

 

[Hammered]

I think that as soon as the first site or two that has CCS units as part of the installed base opens up this question will be largely answered. It could be that a slightly taller pedestal (V4 Supercharger) containing a longer charging cable combined with a drive through stall could probably handle any current EV with a CCS port, and also those pulling trailers if the pull through is designed right.

Obviously a win-win for all EV drivers.

SCPony

The limiting factor now is the EVs running 400v architecture. That V4 super charger supports 1000v and 1000a. That's roughly 3x what the current CCS hardware can do.

 

[Deleted member 16048]

In fact this is not correct, there isn't a single CCS converter / cord at any Tesla SuperCharger in the US working at this time.

I believe he's just stating that it was weird that the Tesla went to a non-tesla CCS station instead of a supercharger. Not that there is a CCS enabled supercharger. There are some superchargers out there that have a non-tesla station attached. (Though they are usually L2's)

 

[eleven24]

I think that as soon as the first site or two that has CCS units as part of the installed base opens up this question will be largely answered. It could be that a slightly taller pedestal (V4 Supercharger) containing a longer charging cable combined with a drive through stall could probably handle any current EV with a CCS port, and also those pulling trailers if the pull through is designed right.

Obviously a win-win for all EV drivers.

SCPony

If Disney World can inductively charge their ride vehicles while people are loading/unloading from a ride, I demand inductive EV charging for all.

Hey, I just come up with the ideas. Someone else can figure out how.

 

[superdave80]

If Disney World can inductively charge their ride vehicles while people are loading/unloading from a ride, I demand inductive EV charging for all.

Here is where I point out how much it costs you to ride those inductively charged vehicles

 

[RickMachE]

Th

I believe he's just stating that it was weird that the Tesla went to a non-tesla CCS station instead of a supercharger. Not that there is a CCS enabled supercharger. There are some superchargers out there that have a non-tesla station attached. (Though they are usually L2's)

" I also find it interesting that Teslas are already using CCS converters at Supercharger stations where both are available. "

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