Tesla Model Y vs Mustang Mach-E (my thoughts)

[voxel]

I really wish my Mach-E had voice control too. Wait, I wonder what that button on the steering wheel is?

I want good voice control. I don't want a retarded Siri or special needs Alexa.

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[TheSteelRider]

I want good voice control. I don't want a retarded Siri or special needs Alexa.

 

[TheSteelRider]

Which are awful.

Google voice is probably the best of the lot in that list - which is why I would love for my next car to have Android Automotive.

Yes, I wish our Mach-E supported Android Auto ... OMG here we go again!

 

[DevSecOps]

Yes, I wish our Mach-E supported Android Auto ... OMG here we go again!

Android Automotive isn't the same as Android Auto. Yes that's confusing as all fuck, but it's Google...

Automotive is the built in native automotive OS. Android Auto is when you connect the phone to a head unit which supports AA.

 

[voxel]

Yes, I wish our Mach-E supported Android Auto ... OMG here we go again!

The car OS not the phone projection system.

Polestar 2, Volvos, and a few other carmakers use it.

https://developers.google.com/cars/design/automotive-os

 

[TheSteelRider]

Android Automotive isn't the same as Android Auto. Yes that's confusing as all fuck, but it's Google...

Automotive is the built in native automotive OS. Android Auto is when you connect the phone to a head unit which supports AA.

Understood, but

I mean, open door; press start button, AA automatically wirelessly connects. It is literally magic, and it works RIGHT NOW in our vehicles with full assistant access.

poster gaslight much?

The post seems like it wasn't meant to be a deep technical analyzation of an operating system vs. a connectivity protocol to an operating system. But, I digress.

 

[voxel]

I would argue that just pressing a button/lever to turn these things on is even easier. I still don't like voice command, because no matter how much it improves, it seems to still only work about 60% of the time for me because apparently I don't know JUST the right thing to say, and I give up on it.

Which is an implementation issue. Siri/Alexa are pretty bad. 60% is a great accuracy for those terrible systems.

Telsa is about 95% accurate to me.

 

[DevSecOps]

I mean, open door; press start button, AA automatically wirelessly connects. It is literally magic, and it works RIGHT NOW in our vehicles with full assistant access.

poster gaslight much?

But they aren't the same. I don't think there's gaslighting. I think you assumed they were the same, which is easy to do because they basically have the same name.

AA on your phone won't integrate with the majority of the vehicle systems. Automotive will. So there's a difference between them.

 

[TheSteelRider]

But they aren't the same. I don't think there's gaslighting. I think you assumed they were the same, which is easy to do because they basically have the same name.

AA on your phone won't integrate with the majority of the vehicle systems. Automotive will. So there's a difference between them.

"Hey Google, ask Siri if my Ford can turn on my wipers". Easy.

 

[DevSecOps]

Which is an implementation issue. Siri/Alexa are pretty bad. 60% is a great accuracy for those terrible systems.

Telsa is about 95% accurate to me.

I agree that Tesla is very accurate. The problem, which I can understand, is that some people can't remember the name of the pumpkin spice late that they order every day when they get to the starbucks window let alone how to say "turn on headlights".

 

[voxel]

But they aren't the same. I don't think there's gaslighting. I think you assumed they were the same, which is easy to do because they basically have the same name.

AA on your phone won't integrate with the majority of the vehicle systems. Automotive will. So there's a difference between them.

And phone projection is full of issues - https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/carplay-gps-issues.30052/

I still had times this week where CarPlay showed me location 600-1000 feet out on some random road in the middle of nowhere.

 

[TheSteelRider]

And phone projection is full of issues - https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/carplay-gps-issues.30052/

I still had times this week where CarPlay showed me location 600-1000 feet out on some random road in the middle of nowhere.

Ok, I call peace and get this point. It just seemed with the other post to be a gaslight, but I understand the advantage of having a higher-power assistant built into the car proper, and some folk view that Ford's isn't up to par.

 

[Hammered]

Hitting a button to speak a command that you could have just as easily hit its dedicated button for!? Makes no sense. A lot of the times less is in-fact, less. Everything behind a display is just shit and unsafe. I've got Sync 4 w/ 12" screen and sync 4a with the 15.5" screen, and the 12" f150 is be best of them. Not a fan of laws, but 2 things that should be standard is physical climate buttons and an information display in front of the driver, be it HUD or screen. Though a HUD requirement law would be ? ?. High-fidelity HUD is overdue.

I don't want dings / bings / alerts, I don't want to speak to a vehicle. I just want a nice and quiet driving experience with info front and center and controls I don't have to chase around a screen.

 

[DevSecOps]

Hitting a button to speak a command that you could have just as easily hit its dedicated button for!? Makes no sense.

Well if you're driving a car and have your hand on the steering wheel, the button to activate voice is already at your thumb, you don't have to reach or look for it.

Now, we just had a 15 page thread where people complain that driver attentiveness is a problem. Technically, looking to change the temperature or looking at anything other than the road is a distraction if we apply their logic. Before cell phones people use to blame "changing the tape" or "changing the radio" when they rear ended someone.

So, being that voice commands can keep your eyes on the road, my guess is that regulation is going to lean more towards less buttons and more voice. I'm not saying I want that (I do though...) but I have a feeling that you're not going to get more buttons. They disappear more and more each year.

As for HUDs, I love them, but unfortunately American car companies don't like installing them unless it's a fancy vehicle with a specific trim. As for display in front of the driver, I'm going to tell you what I noticed, take it or leave it. When driving a Tesla at night without a display immediately in front of you, everything outside the windshield is MUCH clearer. You don't have any light reflecting in your eye, even on dark mode in the MME the light from the IPC causes quite a bit of distortion that I never noticed until driving without a display there.

 

[buzznwood]

So, being that voice commands can keep your eyes on the road, my guess is that regulation is going to lean more towards less buttons and more voice. I'm not saying I want that (I do though...) but I have a feeling that you're not going to get more buttons. They disappear more and more each year.

Buttons have only disappeared due to bean counting and some manufactures have already started walking back from screen only approaches due to negative feedback. The issue is with normal product life cycles once they go down one route you are not going to see any change of direction for a number of years.

It should mean that for the foreseeable future there should at least be vehicles that cater to both camps so those that like to have physical controls should still find vehicles and those that just want to be sitting in a johnny cab will also have options.

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